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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

Yeah VD can be nice (or not, depends) but you add a rather lengthy commute to every single day of your working life. Check how far from Gare Cornavin your work will be. As a New Yorker you may be used to this already, only you know. I moved from VD (Lausanne) to Geneva precisely because of this - having 2 hours of my life back was tremendous quality of life improver.

Also, VD is much less international, you better have good French or you will be lonely, very lonely.

Outdoors will be more reachable generally in VD (although Geneva has plenty of those too, depends where you are - ie I am very central and in 5 minute bus ride I am in semi-wilderness).
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My dog is almost 2 and we’ve not yet had a dog tax bill.

I wouldn’t worry about banned breeds if he’s collie-lab x. Concentrate on finding a place to live and then on his transport/import.
You are right! My plan is to get to Geneva first, and find a place 2 two weeks. You reckon thats realistic? Thankfully my company provide 1 month of temp housing and a real estate agent, I'm hoping things will work out... Otherwise i'll have to give up my dog
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You are right! My plan is to get to Geneva first, and find a place 2 two weeks. You reckon thats realistic? Thankfully my company provide 1 month of temp housing and a real estate agent, I'm hoping things will work out... Otherwise i'll have to give up my dog
Ask your company to get the agent looking already, before you get here. 2 weeks is not long!
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So I spent a good amount of time reading all the links, I have to say...It's very complex...
In terms of the banned dogs, do they do blood test to find out the exact breed/cross breed? My dog is a border collie/black lab mix, all her paper says that, but I don't know if theres something else in her thats the breed in that list...
If your papers say collie/lab cross, then that is what he is. Just list him as such on all your paperwork. Don't go poking a hornet's nest unnecessarily.

If a question arose as to whether a dog were a banned breed mix, the Veterinäramt would send their (ahem) experts out, generally a dog is judged based on phenotype. (Yes, even in ZH, where the law says 10% DNA the judgement is usually made by phenotyping.)



You might need to re-think your time scale given the paucity of housing in Geneva. Look in Vaud, as suggested above. Make dog friendly priority one - be willing to compromise on all other aspects of the house/flat, including cost. Being prepared to pay above the odds will increase your chances.

Also, have you confirmed that your dog will be allowed in temporary housing? Many such temporary places in my area forbid dogs.


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YOtherwise i'll have to give up my dog
OK - I am going to be blunt. If you think there is even a sliver of a chance that you would have to give up your dog in Switzerland please then either put a stop to this move, or negotiate a solution that involves more help from your company.

A dog is for life, including an international corporate move.

Be aware that additionally a private person is not allowed to import a dog and then turn around and re-home him. This is to prevent dog dealing. Yes, I know that is not what you are doing, but do you see how this might look to a bureaucrat?

Remember, the whole point of AMICUS registration is that the dog is traceable from birth (or the moment you step on Swiss soil) to death. You can't just give a dog away, there is paperwork to transfer ownership.

Also I will be blunt again. Think of what your dog's fate might be if you gave him up here. There is a great deal of anger against the rising number of 'foreign import dogs' the general public seems to believe that foreigners dump dogs here willy-nilly because Switzerland is a wealthy country. (This is a myth, but one that will not die.) If a 'foreign dog' lands in a shelter he/she is at greater risk of euthanasia. Sadly, the dirty little secret is that Switzerland euthanizes more dogs than come to public light. Vogelstrausspolitik, everyone wants to pretend that all unwanted dogs to go a nice farm auf dem land...


So...

You need to work on securing dog friendly housing as a top priority. Get your HR and your future manager involved in the task. If they are bringing you here that means they value your potential contribution. Part of the price of that contribution is to bring your dog here, make sure they know it's a deal breaker. Your company needs to be part of the solution. Get a relocation firm involved if needed, and make finding dog friendly housing the number one priority for the relo agent.


Good luck to you and your pup.
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If your papers say collie/lab cross, then that is what he is. Just list him as such on all your paperwork. Don't go poking a hornet's nest unnecessarily.

If a question arose as to whether a dog were a banned breed mix, the Veterinäramt would send their (ahem) experts out, generally a dog is judged based on phenotype. (Yes, even in ZH, where the law says 10% DNA the judgement is usually made by phenotyping.)



You might need to re-think your time scale given the paucity of housing in Geneva. Look in Vaud, as suggested above. Make dog friendly priority one - be willing to compromise on all other aspects of the house/flat, including cost. Being prepared to pay above the odds will increase your chances.

Also, have you confirmed that your dog will be allowed in temporary housing? Many such temporary places in my area forbid dogs.




OK - I am going to be blunt. If you think there is even a sliver of a chance that you would have to give up your dog in Switzerland please then either put a stop to this move, or negotiate a solution that involves more help from your company.

A dog is for life, including an international corporate move.

Be aware that additionally a private person is not allowed to import a dog and then turn around and re-home him. This is to prevent dog dealing. Yes, I know that is not what you are doing, but do you see how this might look to a bureaucrat?

Remember, the whole point of AMICUS registration is that the dog is traceable from birth (or the moment you step on Swiss soil) to death. You can't just give a dog away, there is paperwork to transfer ownership.

Also I will be blunt again. Think of what your dog's fate might be if you gave him up here. There is a great deal of anger against the rising number of 'foreign import dogs' the general public seems to believe that foreigners dump dogs here willy-nilly because Switzerland is a wealthy country. (This is a myth, but one that will not die.) If a 'foreign dog' lands in a shelter he/she is at greater risk of euthanasia. Sadly, the dirty little secret is that Switzerland euthanizes more dogs than come to public light. Vogelstrausspolitik, everyone wants to pretend that all unwanted dogs to go a nice farm auf dem land...


So...

You need to work on securing dog friendly housing as a top priority. Get your HR and your future manager involved in the task. If they are bringing you here that means they value your potential contribution. Part of the price of that contribution is to bring your dog here, make sure they know it's a deal breaker. Your company needs to be part of the solution. Get a relocation firm involved if needed, and make finding dog friendly housing the number one priority for the relo agent.


Good luck to you and your pup.
Definitely get your point. my top priority is to find a place thats good for the dog, she has been a wonderful company, I can't imagine living in a new place without her...


She's not going to the temp housing, I'm gonna arrive first and once I secure a place, I'll go back to the U.S to get her (and more of my stuff). BTW, is 3000 a good amount for a one bedroom apt??
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Yeah VD can be nice (or not, depends) but you add a rather lengthy commute to every single day of your working life. Check how far from Gare Cornavin your work will be. As a New Yorker you may be used to this already, only you know. I moved from VD (Lausanne) to Geneva precisely because of this - having 2 hours of my life back was tremendous quality of life improver.

Also, VD is much less international, you better have good French or you will be lonely, very lonely.

Outdoors will be more reachable generally in VD (although Geneva has plenty of those too, depends where you are - ie I am very central and in 5 minute bus ride I am in semi-wilderness).
Oh god, I barely speak French...although I plan to take classes...definitely don't want be lonely LOL
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Yeah VD can be nice (or not, depends) but you add a rather lengthy commute to every single day of your working life. Check how far from Gare Cornavin your work will be. As a New Yorker you may be used to this already, only you know. I moved from VD (Lausanne) to Geneva precisely because of this - having 2 hours of my life back was tremendous quality of life improver.

Also, VD is much less international, you better have good French or you will be lonely, very lonely.

Outdoors will be more reachable generally in VD (although Geneva has plenty of those too, depends where you are - ie I am very central and in 5 minute bus ride I am in semi-wilderness).


Really?? I'm curious, please define what's 'very central' and semi-wilderness'.

From 1201 (postal code for the main post office on Rue de Mont Blanc, and you can't get more central that that) you'd need to be on a bus or tram for 20-30 minutes to reach the outskirts of the city.... or do you mean simply one of Geneva's many parks?
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Oh god, I barely speak French...although I plan to take classes...definitely don't want be lonely LOL
The riviera, that train line between Geneva and Lausanne .. In most of the towns and villages you could get away with very little French..

We actually moved to a smaller further out village partly because half of the kids in class were English speakers and it was not so good for the kids learning in French.
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Definitely get your point. my top priority is to find a place thats good for the dog, she has been a wonderful company, I can't imagine living in a new place without her...


She's not going to the temp housing, I'm gonna arrive first and once I secure a place, I'll go back to the U.S to get her (and more of my stuff). BTW, is 3000 a good amount for a one bedroom apt??
3k is loads for a one bed apartment.. At that end of the rental market you will be fine to find a place accepting dogs.. I know there are so many scare stories about lack of availability but even in central Geneva this mostly a problem at the lower end of the market..

For that sort of money you'll find a very nice 2 bed in Geneva .. or a slightly lesser place with a garden, or a nice place with garden just outside..

I don't dispute all of the previous good advice but in my experience.. It's all pretty easy, we've never had an issue.. In our village, two minutes walk from home, the dog runs free, no lead, forest, fields, freedom.. We can sit in local auberge with the locals and our dogs, no training course, no scrutiny, it just works..
We're surrounded by farms and cows etc.. Obviously common sense prevails but there's no dog police on every corner. The dog doesn't bother the farm animals, it gets freedom to run all over the place.

it'll probably be fine,.
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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

Living in Canton Geneva or in Canton Vaud: you'd need to check what your permit allows. Some categories of permits allow the person to live only in the same canton as their place of work.
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Re: Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

Since living in VD has been suggested, be aware that the dog control rules will be different from those in GE. (It's that whole three layer thing...)

So - from the cantonal website:
https://www.vd.ch/themes/population/...ce-des-chiens/

And from the The Tier Im Recht summary:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/waadt/



Again, using DeepL will give you a fairly decent translation.


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In some parts of Switzerland it is not uncommon to find a disconnect between what regulations say and how they are - or aren't - put into practice. There is a saying 'round my neck o' the woods that 'Switzerland is a country of rule makers, but not necessarily rule followers.'

So don't be surprised if once you learn that the rules and regulations say you must do X, Y and Z you then start to hear stories about how no one cares about X, Y, or Z.

BUT before you start thinking that rules and regs don't matter, another thing you should understand is that local enforcement can sometimes be selective. So the fact that 99 people before you got away with X, Y, or Z does not mean that the Powers That Be won't suddenly throw the book at you for the same offence they turned a blind eye to in others.

My 2P/5Rp is that one should follow the rules and regs. Because if that book gets thrown, it will be your dog who suffers most. And of course because following the law is generally the right thing to do.

I live on the more... rigid... side of the country. In the more free-wheeling Romandie, well, YMMV.
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3k is loads for a one bed apartment.. At that end of the rental market you will be fine to find a place accepting dogs.. I know there are so many scare stories about lack of availability but even in central Geneva this mostly a problem at the lower end of the market..

For that sort of money you'll find a very nice 2 bed in Geneva .. or a slightly lesser place with a garden, or a nice place with garden just outside..

I don't dispute all of the previous good advice but in my experience.. It's all pretty easy, we've never had an issue.. In our village, two minutes walk from home, the dog runs free, no lead, forest, fields, freedom.. We can sit in local auberge with the locals and our dogs, no training course, no scrutiny, it just works..
We're surrounded by farms and cows etc.. Obviously common sense prevails but there's no dog police on every corner. The dog doesn't bother the farm animals, it gets freedom to run all over the place.

it'll probably be fine,.
That's a relief! I was so worried after reading so many negative experiences....Hopefully luck will be on our side..
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Welcome to Switzerland!


You will need a vet to do the AMICUS registration within 10 days of your arrival. Ask in a separate thread for recommendations so that the request doesn't get buried in this thread.

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So do I register with the vet first? (They put the info into AMICUS database?)

or register with the local authority first?
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So do I register with the vet first? (They put the info into AMICUS database?)

or register with the local authority first?

Within 10 days of the dog's arrival you need to make an appointment with a vet. The vet will read the microship and then do the paperwork to get you registered as an imported dog in the AMICUS system.

You will also need to contact the Commune and register your dog. Here is where there may be different procedures in various places. Some communities want you to wait for the Amicus paperwork, some want you to register immediately.* So my advice would be to contact the Commune right after you make the vet appointment, ask what their procedure is.

You will, of course, need to know where you are living in order to register your dog. If you are in temporary housing when your dog arrives you will need to register first with the community where the temp housing is located, then do an address change and re-register with your permanent address.

The vet who does the registration should be happy to talk you through it.

A side note: my Gemeinde requires proof of liability insurance at time of registration with them - but not all do. If yours does as well you have another thing to add to your to-do list. Even in cantons where liability insurance is not required of dog owners I would strongly suggest getting it. In Switzerland, dog ownership is considered a Kausalhaftung, meaning the dog owner is generally held to be at fault. Liability insurance is relatively inexpensive, and usually bundled into your general household insurance.

See here for an overview of the AMICUS process:
https://www.amicus.ch/Content/News/A...ersicht_DE.pdf

(In D, F, I - use deepl.com to translate if necessary.)


* One of my favorite TIS (This Is Switzerland) stories:

I adopted Heffalump on 30 December. The Gemeinde office was closed for the holidays, so I waited for the morning of first day the office re-opened to register him. When I called the nice lady said "Oh yes, Frau Meloncollie, we have been waiting for your call. Your neighbors have already told us that you have a new dog."

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Bienvenue en suisse!

Coming from NYC I suspect you may be with the UN or a similar agency. If that is the case you will have a CDL (carte de legitimation) rather than a residents/work permit. If not, and unless you are a university professor you likely will have a permis l or b.

Can you tell us, or is it a secret.
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Bienvenue en suisse!

Coming from NYC I suspect you may be with the UN or a similar agency. If that is the case you will have a CDL (carte de legitimation) rather than a residents/work permit. If not, and unless you are a university professor you likely will have a permis l or b.

Can you tell us, or is it a secret.
Haha it's definitly not a secret.

I'll be with the world economic forum. what kind of permit will I get?
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Within 10 days of the dog's arrival you need to make an appointment with a vet. The vet will read the microship and then do the paperwork to get you registered as an imported dog in the AMICUS system.

You will, of course, need to know where you are living in order to register your dog. If you are in temporary housing when your dog arrives you will need to register first with the community where the temp housing is located, then do an address change and re-register with your permanent address.

A side note: my Gemeinde requires proof of liability insurance at time of registration with them - but not all do. If yours does as well you have another thing to add to your to-do list. Even in cantons where liability insurance is not required of dog owners I would strongly suggest getting it. In Switzerland, dog ownership is considered a Kausalhaftung, meaning the dog owner is generally held to be at fault. Liability insurance is relatively inexpensive, and usually bundled into your general household insurance.
Ok, so registration with the vet first within 10 days, then with the local community.

I'm not planning on taking my dog while I'm in the temp housing, hopefully I sort everything out before bring her over on my 2nd trip.

So sounds like I need a household insurance which include the liability. Any recommendations on which website I can look for options? or that's something the real estate agent will handle as part of the apt hunt process?

Thanks again!
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Haha it's definitly not a secret.

I'll be with the world economic forum. what kind of permit will I get?
As the WEF is an NGO you won’t get a CDL. An L or B I would guess. Double check with your employer if you would be allowed to live in Vaud or just Geneva.
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