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Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

Hi,

I'm moving to Geneva (from NYC) for a new job soon and is wondering if anyone has taken their dog from the U.S to Switzerland can give me some advice on the process?i.e what documents exactly I need to bring upon arrival?

I've read all the official guides online, but still have some questions about the process.

Thank you!
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Re: Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

Best thing is to start here

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...unterwegs.html

Read up on the info provided and then use this link

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...tchen.html#par

to find out exactly what you need to do.

Make sure the microchip is done first before any vaccinations. Also make sure it's one that can be read by a European chip reader, not all the American ones can.

I expect Meloncollie, our resident dog expert, will be along with more advice for you soon. You can also e-mail the BLV directly with any queries you may have.
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Re: Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

Welcome to Switzerland!

The first thing you need to understand is that there are three levels of dog regulation in Switzerland: Federal, cantonal, and community.

The links from Medea are for the federal regulations on importation and then on registration in the national database (AMICUS). Read those thoroughly, then come back with questions if you have any. When importing, especially from a non-EU country, dot every I and cross every T in your paperwork.

Some people do this themselves, but some feel more comfortable using a professional shipper. One with a good repuation in Switzerland is Ace Pet Moving.

By the way, is your dog docked or cropped? If so, be aware that there is a federal ban on importing docked or cropped dogs - but a one time exception is made for folks moving here with a long time family dog. If this applies, there is additional paperwork to be filled out - and be aware that the dog must move with you at the time you first enter Switzerland. You cannot first move here, then later try to bring a docked or cropped dog with you.

Then there are cantonal concerns, chief of which is that Geneva is a BSL canton. 15 breeds, or dogs mixed with any of those 15 breeds, are strictly banned in the canton. The list of banned breeds is here:

https://www.ge.ch/document/races-chi...ux/telecharger

And you can read more about Geneva's BSL here:
https://www.ge.ch/detenir-chien/race...erdites-geneve

And a summary of the general regulations here:
https://www.ge.ch/detenir-chien

Key points:

For dogs over 25kg or 56cm a comportment test is required. The site links trainers who are authorized to run these traning classes and tests. There is a time limit in which this has to be done, IIRC 3 months, but please verify this when you register your dog.

You are also required to carry liability insurance, and proof of this is to be given to the commune.

You may not walk more than 3 dogs at a time.
You must pick up after your dog.
Your dog must be under control at all times.
Your dog may not bother or threaten others. 'Bother' and 'threaten' are in the eyes of the beholder, by the way.
Dogs must be on lead in the forests between 1 April and 15 July
There is a list of places where dogs are not allowed.

If you read German, another summary is here, from the Hunde Im Recht foundation - I am including this link because this page links the actual text of the various Geneva laws:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/genf/

Depending on where you decide to live, there may be additional local rules.

If you do not yet speak French, use deepL.com to translate the Geneva dog regulation pages, make sure you understand them thoroughly. If you have any problems communicating with the authorities, bring along a French speaker.


---

And a word about housing:

Housing is notorously in short supply in Geneva, the competition for a flat can be cutthroat. Having a dog does not help - so if you are being sent here by a company or organization, negotiate their help in the house search into your package. It's easier the farther up the price ladder you go, so you might also negotiate in some kind of housing supplement payment. If you can.

---

Reliable, skilled dog care can be difficult to find here. There are some good sitters and a lot of... lets just say less than reliable ones. If you anticipate needing to travel without your dog, make finding good dog care a priority.

---

You will need a vet to do the AMICUS registration within 10 days of your arrival. Ask in a separate thread for recommendations so that the request doesn't get buried in this thread.

---

As you may know, Switzerland is in general not a 24/7 country - so it is very important to research the emergency vet coverage available in your area. Your vet practice should be able to give you that information - but do ask upfront, as this is information you don't want to be scrambling to find when your pup is ill after hours.

---

And my usual recommendation: Dog ownership is viewed rather differently here than in some places in the US. You will likely stumble across rules and regulations you might not have expected or issues not even on your radar back home. The best way to find your feet (and paws!) in Switzerland is to join a dog training class or school ASAP. You will find a supportive group of like-minded people, a place to ask questions, get correct information, etc. Training is more than sit, down, stay: it's a fun activity, one you and your dog can enjoy together throughout your dog's lifetime.

---

This is just to get you started. Please read the links, please browse the myriad forum threads, and come back with specific questions.


Good luck with your move, and with this exciting new chapter!

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Re: Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

OMG....THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DETAILED REPLY!!!!

So much to read! I'll have a look through and might message you privately with more questions if that's ok.

The info you provided is very helpful!

Thanks again!
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Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

Just out of curiosity, how easy/difficult to find a place in Geneva that allows dog in the apt?

Do landlords generally care? given the dog is very well behaved, not gonna damage the place or anything
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Just out of curiosity, how easy/difficult to find a place in Geneva that allows dog in the apt?

Do landlords generally care? given the dog is very well behaved, not gonna damage the place or anything

No easy at all, ypou have a collie/lab i believe which is a mediuum sized dog and needs lots of space and exercise, big appartments are very expensive in Geneva.


Nopbody doubts the dog is wonderful, well behaved etc but until it has been seen, a Landlord only have your word for this so to save problems, it is far easier to have a No Dog rule.
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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

Many landlords forbid the tenants to have dogs, at all, and will not rent to a tenant who has a dog. That is very common, and almost standard.

The reasons some landlords will not allow dogs can include
  • possible damage to the flat
  • the noise of barking or whining may disturb the other neighbours
  • many people in Switzerland have grown up in environments which have hardly any dogs, so they are typically more afraid or at least do not know how to behave around dogs (it's self-perpetuating)
  • some people dislike (and would complain about) the smell of dogs' fur, urin or excrement
  • some dog-owners do not clean up after their dogs.

In short, an owner who does not allow dogs demarkates an area in which they simply aren't going to have to face the issues.

Having said that, the dogs and their owners do live somewhere, which means that some landlords do allow it. ALWAYS check before you apply for a flat or house, whether permission will be granted.
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Re: Tips for moving with dogs to Geneva?

Dog owners have to pay a charge to keep their animals. You have to register your dog in your commune of residence once it reaches a certain age or if you move to a new commune. You also need to inform your commune if you move away or your dog dies. You have to pay an annual amount for each dog you own, levied either by the canton or your commune, and this may be determined according to the size and weight of the dog. In most cantons a reduced tax or no tax has to be paid for guide dogs, rescue dogs etc.
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In most cantons a reduced tax or no tax has to be paid for guide dogs, rescue dogs etc.
Pedant mode:

By rescue dogs what is meant is dogs who have been trained and certified to do specific work, such as search and rescue after a disaster, sniffer dogs who search for drugs, explosives, other contraband.

These are given an exemption or reduction in the dog tax in light of the highly skilled work they do.

Not the common speak 'rescue dogs', that is, dogs who were 'rescued' themselves, adopted from a shelter or other 'second chance' organization.

/pedant mode.
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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

point No. 1-It will be not easy to find any apartment, period, in Geneva.

There is still high demand that outstrips supply, low vacancy rates, so unless you are looking at the high end of the market, it will take a long time and lots of effort to find anything.

Add to this a pet, or any other complication, and you will be further down the pecking order.

Plan lots of time to find anything. Not impossible, but it will take time and perseverence.

Can you live in France? more space, less competition, generally lower prices, and generally more tolerant.
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Can you live in France? more space, less competition, generally lower prices, and generally more tolerant.
I would assume not since they're moving from New York City.

Use these websites to see what's available in your price range. You can also filter for places that allow dogs, but always check and double check this before signing any rental contract.

www.immoscout24.ch
www.immostreet.ch
www.homegate.ch
www.home.ch

For private rentals, i.e. not through an agency, try:

www.petitesannonces.ch
www.anibis.ch
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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

Or live in VD..

It's standard wording on the contracts (each one I've had at least) ..

"...Domestic animals are tolerated as long as they do not disturb others and you accept responsibility for damage..etc.."

Of course, it's one thing being allowed in the contract and another getting the contract.. But VD has far more supply and it's nicer of course.
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Re: Easy to find apt allows dog in Geneva?

My daughter and husband took a year to find an apartment in Geneva with their dog - I actually looked after him for most of that time as they had to live in air b n bs and finding somewhere without the dog at a reasonable price was a nightmare at their budget.

In the end they ended up paying a relocator - they went to see a large apt which was very reasonably priced and they were offered the flat the next morning.

I think they charged a month rent for the service but they wished they had done it months earlier. Also they helped with all sorts of things which was have been difficult without being a fluent speaker.
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I would assume not since they're moving from New York City.

Use these websites to see what's available in your price range. You can also filter for places that allow dogs, but always check and double check this before signing any rental contract.

www.immoscout24.ch
www.immostreet.ch
www.homegate.ch
www.home.ch

For private rentals, i.e. not through an agency, try:

www.petitesannonces.ch
www.anibis.ch
Thank you so much for the websites!!

My company is assigning me an agent, do you think that will help with the search? I want to find a place within 2 weeks, and go back to NYC to get the dog...It's gonna be a lot of work...but I don't want to give her up
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Or live in VD..

It's standard wording on the contracts (each one I've had at least) ..

"...Domestic animals are tolerated as long as they do not disturb others and you accept responsibility for damage..etc.."

Of course, it's one thing being allowed in the contract and another getting the contract.. But VD has far more supply and it's nicer of course.
I'm open to live in VD, I'm guessing thats the canton next to Geneva? Anywhere in particular you recommend? preferably with easy access to the train. Thanks!
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Welcome to Switzerland!

The first thing you need to understand is that there are three levels of dog regulation in Switzerland: Federal, cantonal, and community.

The links from Medea are for the federal regulations on importation and then on registration in the national database (AMICUS). Read those thoroughly, then come back with questions if you have any. When importing, especially from a non-EU country, dot every I and cross every T in your paperwork.

Some people do this themselves, but some feel more comfortable using a professional shipper. One with a good repuation in Switzerland is Ace Pet Moving.

By the way, is your dog docked or cropped? If so, be aware that there is a federal ban on importing docked or cropped dogs - but a one time exception is made for folks moving here with a long time family dog. If this applies, there is additional paperwork to be filled out - and be aware that the dog must move with you at the time you first enter Switzerland. You cannot first move here, then later try to bring a docked or cropped dog with you.

Then there are cantonal concerns, chief of which is that Geneva is a BSL canton. 15 breeds, or dogs mixed with any of those 15 breeds, are strictly banned in the canton. The list of banned breeds is here:

https://www.ge.ch/document/races-chi...ux/telecharger

And you can read more about Geneva's BSL here:
https://www.ge.ch/detenir-chien/race...erdites-geneve

And a summary of the general regulations here:
https://www.ge.ch/detenir-chien

Key points:

For dogs over 25kg or 56cm a comportment test is required. The site links trainers who are authorized to run these traning classes and tests. There is a time limit in which this has to be done, IIRC 3 months, but please verify this when you register your dog.

You are also required to carry liability insurance, and proof of this is to be given to the commune.

You may not walk more than 3 dogs at a time.
You must pick up after your dog.
Your dog must be under control at all times.
Your dog may not bother or threaten others. 'Bother' and 'threaten' are in the eyes of the beholder, by the way.
Dogs must be on lead in the forests between 1 April and 15 July
There is a list of places where dogs are not allowed.

If you read German, another summary is here, from the Hunde Im Recht foundation - I am including this link because this page links the actual text of the various Geneva laws:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/genf/

Depending on where you decide to live, there may be additional local rules.

If you do not yet speak French, use deepL.com to translate the Geneva dog regulation pages, make sure you understand them thoroughly. If you have any problems communicating with the authorities, bring along a French speaker.


---

And a word about housing:

Housing is notorously in short supply in Geneva, the competition for a flat can be cutthroat. Having a dog does not help - so if you are being sent here by a company or organization, negotiate their help in the house search into your package. It's easier the farther up the price ladder you go, so you might also negotiate in some kind of housing supplement payment. If you can.

---

Reliable, skilled dog care can be difficult to find here. There are some good sitters and a lot of... lets just say less than reliable ones. If you anticipate needing to travel without your dog, make finding good dog care a priority.

---

You will need a vet to do the AMICUS registration within 10 days of your arrival. Ask in a separate thread for recommendations so that the request doesn't get buried in this thread.

---

As you may know, Switzerland is in general not a 24/7 country - so it is very important to research the emergency vet coverage available in your area. Your vet practice should be able to give you that information - but do ask upfront, as this is information you don't want to be scrambling to find when your pup is ill after hours.

---

And my usual recommendation: Dog ownership is viewed rather differently here than in some places in the US. You will likely stumble across rules and regulations you might not have expected or issues not even on your radar back home. The best way to find your feet (and paws!) in Switzerland is to join a dog training class or school ASAP. You will find a supportive group of like-minded people, a place to ask questions, get correct information, etc. Training is more than sit, down, stay: it's a fun activity, one you and your dog can enjoy together throughout your dog's lifetime.

---

This is just to get you started. Please read the links, please browse the myriad forum threads, and come back with specific questions.


Good luck with your move, and with this exciting new chapter!
So I spent a good amount of time reading all the links, I have to say...It's very complex...
In terms of the banned dogs, do they do blood test to find out the exact breed/cross breed? My dog is a border collie/black lab mix, all her paper says that, but I don't know if theres something else in her thats the breed in that list...
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Dog owners have to pay a charge to keep their animals. You have to register your dog in your commune of residence once it reaches a certain age or if you move to a new commune. You also need to inform your commune if you move away or your dog dies. You have to pay an annual amount for each dog you own, levied either by the canton or your commune, and this may be determined according to the size and weight of the dog. In most cantons a reduced tax or no tax has to be paid for guide dogs, rescue dogs etc.
My dog is almost 2 and we’ve not yet had a dog tax bill.

I wouldn’t worry about banned breeds if he’s collie-lab x. Concentrate on finding a place to live and then on his transport/import.
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I'm open to live in VD, I'm guessing thats the canton next to Geneva? Anywhere in particular you recommend? preferably with easy access to the train. Thanks!
VD -- Yes Canton Vaud.

Going out from Geneva you have huge choice..
From larger towns like Nyon / Gland / Rolle / Morges / Lausanne, all on the direct train line..Each is surrounded by many smaller villages.
Some examples : Eysins, Crans, Trelex, Borex, Vich, Celigny, Begnins.. There are loads.. All of these are small but have basics like shop/school/resto


It really depends on what you want..
If you are happy to live in a smaller village, maybe higher up from the lake, with a one hour commute by public transport.. You will find pretty easily an individual house, large garden, 4+ bedrooms, maybe a pool.. For around the same price as a decent 2-3 bed apartment in central Geneva.
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You are supposed to register him/her with your commune.
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He is! Registered him in Amicus etc.
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