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Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

I am currently on B permit living in Uster Geminde. We just signed all papers for a new Apartment in Meilen, which is being constructed and will be handed over in February 2021.

Our son is going to start his primaryshule this year. This means he starts in Uster for 6 months but then moves to Meilen. I tried to ask Meilen schule, if my son can start his schooling there but they are hesitating and asking to cover the Primary schule fees for this time (which should be free in Uster but is average 1K per month, if we pay).

As I own the new Apartment papers already, is it possible that I register in Meilen in July (even though Apartment is not ready and I will be physically living in Uster till February 2021).
Any help or ideas will be great. Thanks.
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

It would be fraud and not easily to pull of. Uster surely wants it taxes from the people who live there like you do, and Meilen can simply know that the new address has nobody living there since the house is unfinished.

All you can do is talk with both municipalities and hope for an exception, and perhaps indeed pay yourself the part the municipality would normally contribute.
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

You would need to talk to the Gemeinde in Meilen to see if they will accept him to the school. But be warned, there is a limit to how long they can do this - and if your apartment is not finished in time, you may end up paying full school fees (10K or more) for the year...



How do I know this ? It happened to a friend of mine, who wanted her child to go to the 'new' town, but their moving date was postponed as the house was not ready (new build).... very expensive...
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

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I tried to ask Meilen schule, if my son can start his schooling there but they are hesitating and asking to cover the Primary schule fees for this time (which should be free in Uster but is average 1K per month, if we pay).
So do you think the taxpayers in Meilen should pay for your kidís education for free? You seem to miss that bit - where services of the community are provided for the people who live in the community and pay their taxes there.

You will not actually own an apartment until it is built and handed over to you and you wonít be a resident there until you move in and your registration is accepted. So if you want your kid to go to school there before then, it will have to be at the will of the community and most likely will require fees.

Trying to fiddle the community on something like this could break bad in the end for you, especially if you want to apply to the community for Swiss citizenship later.
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Old 15.01.2020, 23:27
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

The kid starts primary school.
I see no big deal in changing school after the first year - not to mention that houses never get finished when planned.
The child is up for a lot of changes in life (hopefully, LOL), might as well start now.
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

Why not ask Uster if the kid can complete its school year there?
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So do you think the taxpayers in Meilen should pay for your kidís education for free? You seem to miss that bit - where services of the community are provided for the people who live in the community and pay their taxes there.

You will not actually own an apartment until it is built and handed over to you and you wonít be a resident there until you move in and your registration is accepted. So if you want your kid to go to school there before then, it will have to be at the will of the community and most likely will require fees.

Trying to fiddle the community on something like this could break bad in the end for you, especially if you want to apply to the community for Swiss citizenship later.
Even though I appreciate your concern with Meilen Geminde, your answer is harsh and irrational.

You seem to forget the fact that I am paying for my taxes in Uster community. Both these Gemindes are part of Zurich city and Switzerland country. If my son goes to Meilen School, I am not going to get any rebate from Uster Geminde.

If you think of a completely rational option, Uster Geminde should simply allow an exception with Mielen Geminde for such cases. After all, there is a valid reason behind. With the current option, I would pay twice.
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Why not ask Uster if the kid can complete its school year there?
Good point and sorry I forgot to mention additional Details. My and my wife are both working and we would Need tagi for after School. The main Problem would be commute between these two gemindes.
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

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Even though I appreciate your concern with Meilen Geminde, your answer is harsh and irrational.

You seem to forget the fact that I am paying for my taxes in Uster community. Both these Gemindes are part of Zurich city and Switzerland country. If my son goes to Meilen School, I am not going to get any rebate from Uster Geminde.

If you think of a completely rational option, Uster Geminde should simply allow an exception with Mielen Geminde for such cases. After all, there is a valid reason behind. With the current option, I would pay twice.

It is neither harsh nor irrational. You would be using a service in Meilen, for which you do not pay taxes to Meilen. There is no funds transfer between Uster and Meilen because you want the kid to go to another school.


They are not part of Zurich city, Kanton Zurich yes.


You can ask for an exception, there is no right to it as you do not live in Meilen.
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Re: Can I register in new Geminde if I haven't moved yet ?

Going back to the original question, in your case I would say that no, you can't register in the new Gemeinde because you
- don't have a valid address there (there is no building yet)
- don't have a proof of residence (= contract) there before February 2021

This means that the new Gemeinde will not be able to put you in the system, since every inhabitable house is electronically registered together with its maximum and current number of residents, and institutional communication will not reach you.

You will have to talk to schools. However, I agree that you should try to see their point of view to better handle the negotiation (they are two independent cities). My advice is, keep asking schools for a solution, maybe focus on the fact that your plan would benefit the new class and the new school as well as you. Be ready to pay something, as others have explained.
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Going back to the original question, in your case I would say that no, you can't register in the new Gemeinde because you
- don't have a valid address there (there is no building yet)
- don't have a proof of residence (= contract) there before February 2021

This means that the new Gemeinde will not be able to put you in the system, since every inhabitable house is electronically registered together with its maximum and current number of residents, and institutional communication will not reach you.

You will have to talk to schools. However, I agree that you should try to see their point of view to better handle the negotiation (they are two independent cities). My advice is, keep asking schools for a solution, maybe focus on the fact that your plan would benefit the new class and the new school as well as you. Be ready to pay something, as others have explained.

Thank you. From this post and others, I have the clear answer that early registration is not possible. I will speak to both Gemindes and I kind of feel that would need to pay in Meilen. Which is also acceptable but just wanted to be clear with the available options as the amount is around 10K.
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You seem to forget the fact that I am paying for my taxes in Uster community. Both these Gemindes are part of Zurich city and Switzerland country.
Apart from the city / canton confusion. School is not paid by the federation, nor the canton, but by residents of the commune or "school commune".
https://gaz.zh.ch/internet/justiz_in...gemeinden.html

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If my son goes to Meilen School, I am not going to get any rebate from Uster Geminde.
I have neither son nor daugther and get a neither a tax rebate. No one is willing to forgo tax money to finance your private pleasure. There is a public school at your place of residence, you can either use this offer or a have to finance an other option yourself.

Let us take a view of your kid: He will be the outsider in the Meilen class. Chauffeured instead of walking, not living in the commune, which means after school playtime with school buddies is not easily possible.
Also the move into the new apartment. Why do not make it a whole package? New home, new school?
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I will speak to both Gemindes and I kind of feel that would need to pay in Meilen. Which is also acceptable but just wanted to be clear with the available options as the amount is around 10K.
Don't forget that Meilen is not required to accept your child even if you are willing to pay.

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Even though I appreciate your concern with Meilen Geminde, your answer is harsh and irrational.

You seem to forget the fact that I am paying for my taxes in Uster community. Both these Gemindes are part of Zurich city and Switzerland country. If my son goes to Meilen School, I am not going to get any rebate from Uster Geminde.

If you think of a completely rational option, Uster Geminde should simply allow an exception with Mielen Geminde for such cases. After all, there is a valid reason behind. With the current option, I would pay twice.
You have to deal with what is there, not what you want it be. And no you will not pay twice because you will not be allowed to register in the first place.
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