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Re: The real estate lied to us telling us we could have pets.

Well you could always write to the owner and explain what happened. Is that 40 cm with tail or without?
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Re: The real estate lied to us telling us we could have pets.

These Swiss agents can be bastards. Give them the stinky finger and get your dog!
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Re: The real estate lied to us telling us we could have pets.

I'm sorry for your situation, OP.

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Focus on your goals. If you want a dog/cat, then that will not happen in your current apartment. If you want revenge, then take legal advice on taking the agent to court.
This, yes. Well put.

For the sake of your nerves, and for your own mental health and that of the dog, please do not try to bring a dog to live with you in this apartment.

Quite apart from whether you're in this situation because of bad intent or of neglect by the landlord, irrespective of whether or not he lied then or has changed his mind, he has NOW made it completely clear that he does not want a dog in the apartment he owns.

That's that, really. It's over.

This landlord is never going to be the one to facilitate your dog's happy life, and if you tried to go against his will, whether secretly or announcing it to him in writing or by risking legal proceedings, you'd be starting a long, drawn-out struggle.

That is unlikely to do your own health any good, and there's no justification for subjecting a dog to living in a home where its owners are stressed, and not at all sure how safe it's going to be for the dog to live there.

Please don't do this.
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Kleintiere (small animals) refers to little furries that are not-cats and not-dogs, such as rabbits, guinea pigs, chinchillas, mice, rats, etc. Dogs, cats, horses, and birds are almost always listed as such.
Yes, this is my understanding, too.

OP, Melloncollie, who wrote the long post above (from which I quoted), really, really knows a lot about animal care, especially dogs.
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Is there anyone else in the building who has a dog or cat? Are the units owned by the same person?
Yes, there are neighbors who have cats and it is also very evident (since they have stairs from the garden to their balcony for the cat). I have not seen dogs in my building.

It seems to me that all the apartments are of the real estate or of the same construction company. We have never talked to a "landlord" nor have we seen the name of the supposed landlord in the contract. We pay the rent to the real estate. They also take care of the cleaning and organization of the building.

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However, you asked, and you have a written answer. To go back on one's word seems wrong to me.

You could get the dog, and let them try and evict you. Then you have to be prepared to move. If you intend to leave the dog alone all day, this could be another problem for you.
My husband works from home, I work 4 to 6 hours a day, with pause and it's 5 minute walk from my house.

Moving would not be a problem, since we took this house because of the urgency of needing a place to live quickly and it does not meet our needs 100%, but when we moved to Switzerland it was what we could find. What I mean is that we plan to move since we came to live in this apartment, but we didn't expect it to have to be so soon. First we need to recover a little of the money that the moving cost us.

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First, did the agent specifically say that a small cat or dog was allowed, or just a small animal.

If "small animal", then I'm sorry. You're a victim of misunderstanding.
Hello, this is the exact answer that he gave me:

"Regarding pets, a cat is allowed, but should not leave home.
A dog would depend on the breed, and the dog shouldn't spend many hours alone in the house."


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Otherwise, the agent persuaded you to sign a contract by lying (or he thought he was telling the truth but was wrong). In this case, there is certainly (in any sane legal system) some kind of redress. The conditions of tenancy will not change, but the agent might receive some kind of punishment. Verbal and email contracts are binding. The agent is guilty of breach of contract.
I think he lied to convince us and maybe he spoke without first consulting the supposedly existing landlord...

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Thank you very much everyone for your answers. Probably the addition of a dog to our family has to wait approximately 1 year ... We want to do things well and without risks.

Anyway, I will try to write a formal letter and send it to the real estate to see if I can get a positive response... If there is a landlord, I would like to speak directly with him/her.



P.s. Another thing that I almost forgot to mention. A friend of ours is looking for an apartment, and he found one right in the building next door (the apartment is from the same real estate and has the same norm sheet at the entrance, also shares garden with my building) and guess what ... When he asked if they could have dogs and pets , they said yes too.
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Yes, there are neighbors who have cats and it is also very evident (since they have stairs from the garden to their balcony for the cat). I have not seen dogs in my building.

It seems to me that all the apartments are of the real estate or of the same construction company. We have never talked to a "landlord" nor have we seen the name of the supposed landlord in the contract. We pay the rent to the real estate. They also take care of the cleaning and organization of the building.



My husband works from home, I work 4 to 6 hours a day, with pause and it's 5 minute walk from my house.

Moving would not be a problem, since we took this house because of the urgency of needing a place to live quickly and it does not meet our needs 100%, but when we moved to Switzerland it was what we could find. What I mean is that we plan to move since we came to live in this apartment, but we didn't expect it to have to be so soon. First we need to recover a little of the money that the moving cost us.



Hello, this is the exact answer that he gave me:

"Regarding pets, a cat is allowed, but should not leave home.
A dog would depend on the breed, and the dog shouldn't spend many hours alone in the house."




I think he lied to convince us and maybe he spoke without first consulting the supposedly existing landlord...

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Thank you very much everyone for your answers. Probably the addition of a dog to our family has to wait approximately 1 year ... We want to do things well and without risks.

Anyway, I will try to write a formal letter and send it to the real estate to see if I can get a positive response... If there is a landlord, I would like to speak directly with him/her.



P.s. Another thing that I almost forgot to mention. A friend of ours is looking for an apartment, and he found one right in the building next door (the apartment is from the same real estate and has the same norm sheet at the entrance, also shares garden with my building) and guess what ... When he asked if they could have dogs and pets , they said yes too.
Well of course there is an owner of the place. But the agent does not have to inform you who it is. They have this landlord secrecy thing in CH.
Ask the agent what breed is allowed. Dont give up here. The agent sounds like he is trying to mess you around. Don't give in!
If you ask me you should just get your dog. Finish. No more discussion with the agent. These agents think they can do what they like with the people and if no one stands up to them then it will continue. PS. Dont buy a Pit Bull!
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:30
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If there is a landlord
There is ALWAYS a landlord, even if it is a company.

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I would like to speak directly with him/her.
They use an agent just to avoid such things.

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If there is a landlord, I would like to speak directly with him/her.
The landlord is quite likely to be an insurance company or something similar.
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Ask the agent what breed is allowed. Dont give up here. The agent sounds like he is trying to mess you around. Don't give in!
If you ask me you should just get your dog. Finish. No more discussion with the agent. These agents think they can do what they like with the people and if no one stands up to them then it will continue. PS. Dont buy a Pit Bull!
Please do not encourage the OP to get a dog without the landlord's permission written into the contract. Please. Doing so can cause real harm.

While I agree that it is not unknown for an estate agent to act as if he or she is a morally-challenged viper and pushback is often the right way to go, in cases where a helpless sentient being would be put at risk one must think of the greater good.

The OP now knows her building is not pet friendly. It only takes one neighbor to make life an absolute misery for both the OP and her (future) dog. The anti-dog posse here have been known to go to great lengths, inclulding harming the dog. Please do not suggest actions, such as keeping a dog against house rules, that would give these folks an excuse.

No responsible owner puts his or her pet at risk. Punkt, fertig. The greater good in this situation is the welfare of the animal. If one loves one's pet, one goes about pet ownership the right way.

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So again - concentrate on moving out of this situation and finding a place where permission is given upfront, written into the lease. As in my previous post - responsible breeders and rescues will require this anyway.

Once the right place is found, then start looking for your furry friend.
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Please do not encourage the OP to get a dog without the landlord's permission written into the contract. Please. Doing so can cause real harm.

While I agree that it is not unknown for an estate agent to act as if he or she is a morally-challenged viper and pushback is often the right way to go, in cases where a helpless sentient being would be put at risk one must think of the greater good.

The OP now knows her building is not pet friendly. It only takes one neighbor to make life an absolute misery for both the OP and her (future) dog. The anti-dog posse here have been known to go to great lengths, inclulding harming the dog. Please do not suggest actions, such as keeping a dog against house rules, that would give these folks an excuse.

No responsible owner puts his or her pet at risk. Punkt, fertig. The greater good in this situation is the welfare of the animal. If one loves one's pet, one goes about pet ownership the right way.

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So again - concentrate on moving out of this situation and finding a place where permission is given upfront, written into the lease. As in my previous post - responsible breeders and rescues will require this anyway.

Once the right place is found, then start looking for your furry friend.
The agent said dogs are allowed. But only certain breeds. Stand up to these shits and show a bit of courage. You might be in another country but YOU have rights!

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Having a dog is NOT one of them.

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Having a dog is NOT one of them.

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Well, it is somehow. Keeping it in someone else's house ain't.
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We rent an apartment with a small garden terrace out the back which is not part of our apartment and it was forbidden to plant things. We planted alot neverthless. They got a little upset at first but nothing more happened. Now they even say how nice it looks!
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We rent an apartment with a small garden terrace out the back which is not part of our apartment and it was forbidden to plant things. We planted alot neverthless. They got a little upset at first but nothing more happened. Now they even say how nice it looks!
Very different from having a dog....... So no comparison
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We rent an apartment with a small garden terrace out the back which is not part of our apartment and it was forbidden to plant things. We planted alot neverthless. They got a little upset at first but nothing more happened. Now they even say how nice it looks!
Yes, dear, we on EF know that's how you do things.

We have not reached the "how nice" stage with you yet though.
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