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Re: Apartment temperatures - A/C installation

Thanks both for the replies. Yes.. I understand it wont cool the whole house. It sucks that the only place I could use this is in the living area, because the bedrooms does not have easy access to the balcony, otherwise, would work. I think I will start the summer with just the initial thought I had of that window glass/hole and see if its better than using the little curtain. If that does not go that well, then I might buy this unit and move my mattress to the living room for those nights that I just can't take it... then I am sure it will help, even if a bit. anyhow, thanks all. PS, I did look for the two hose systems, but, did not find anything yet.. I will keep looking... and will make two holes in the window thinggy..
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Re: Apartment temperatures - A/C installation

Sleeping at night -use a fan!!! simple cheap and effective.
Your skin temperature is normally just above 30 deg. Air temp is under 30 every night in Switzerland. Hence flowing air will not only feel as if it is cooling, it actually is. A fan works during the daytime if one can keep the internal temperature down below 30 (the reverse heat pump in our minergie flat does cool by around 2 deg and the shutters are really effective against direct sunlight) and the fan itself generates much less heat than an air-con unit so the efficiency is much greater. At night, you may need to still use a sheet or pyjamas as it can get too cold. Look around for a quiet fan, there are some great ones around and maybe a timer to switch off in the early hours.
But if you want the excitement of coping with the hassle of organising a legal air/con unit or want the thrill of an illegal one............
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I've got this kind of a first world problem I wanted to discuss. It seems like most of the newer buildings in Switzerland comes with these super nicely-looking floor to ceiling windows, Minergie certifications, etc. In my experience it works totally perfectly during the winter/spring/autumn, but both of the apartments we've lived in so far are just hell in the summer. Last year temperature in ours didn't go lower than 26C even during the night and having mechanical ventilation and a fan in every room didn't help at all.

As warmer days are apparently supposed to come even sooner this year, I wanted to ask if anyone of you found the solution to this issue. We can't use window mounted A/C units as our windows don't slide - we can only open them wide which doesn't help when it's over 30C outside. Does anyone have any experience with going through the landlord or the real estate agency to have A/C professionally installed? If so, what was the average cost? Or do you just cope with these issues with a swimming pool on your loggia or balcony?
AirCon is something one does not need in CH.
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Get a Dehumidifier - it won't reduce temperatur however your comfort is related to both temperature and humid. Reducing one is good enough to get you into comfort zone even at 30C. it's not the temperature (alone) .. for more details google "Richard Mollier" thermodynamics.
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I understand opinions are subjective, and, for some A/C is not needed. With that said, I found two final ideas for a possible portable split. Anyone has any idea/input which one to choose from? Looking at specs they seem to be the same/equal pretty much. Guess it boils down to brand? Fust's own Novamatic, or this Italian Argo brand?



Fust's Novamatic CL 1590 Long Split: https://www.fust.ch/de/p/haushalt/he...t-8453572.html



Ulisse DCI Eco:https://www.argoclima.com/en/prodotti/ulisse-dci-eco/


They are both expensive, or around the same price, and, I know that it wont cool my entire 140 sqm +/- apartment, but, I think it will help make it a bit better, specially in the living room, the only place I can put due to the type of windows I have elsewhere...
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AirCon is something one does not need in CH.
I think that people living in 7th floor apartments might disagree with you. There is a big difference between how warm it gets in a ground floor or 1st floor apartment compared to being on a high floor, on a 30+ degree day and on a warm night. And fans don't help too much if they're just blowing hot air.
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I understand opinions are subjective, and, for some A/C is not needed. With that said, I found two final ideas for a possible portable split. Anyone has any idea/input which one to choose from? Looking at specs they seem to be the same/equal pretty much. Guess it boils down to brand? Fust's own Novamatic, or this Italian Argo brand?



Fust's Novamatic CL 1590 Long Split: https://www.fust.ch/de/p/haushalt/he...t-8453572.html



Ulisse DCI Eco:https://www.argoclima.com/en/prodotti/ulisse-dci-eco/


They are both expensive, or around the same price, and, I know that it wont cool my entire 140 sqm +/- apartment, but, I think it will help make it a bit better, specially in the living room, the only place I can put due to the type of windows I have elsewhere...

The Ulisse is the better unit and what I would have bought if we didn't find a stiebel eltron. I have no personal experience of it but I do of a different Novamatic and found it too loud for a residential application and generally bottom drawer quality. I remember a few years ago the Ulisse was going for about 1600 eur on amazon. Similar price for the novamatic but it was probably a different model. I don't see any pictures of it on their website.
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