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Senior Java Developer 03.03.2020 21:49

Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Can someone help me, please, to update, adapt and translate my English motivational letter for a landlord to German? I can pay for a professional service.

I moved to Zurich in January. Until now I visited around 40 apartments. Applied for 15 and got a rejection for all of them.
I'm a little bit desperate now, maybe I'm doing something wrong.

The plan is to add the motivational letter to the registration form.

Danke!

Pancakes 03.03.2020 21:50

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
How long is the letter?

st2lemans 03.03.2020 22:02

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Why? :confused:

They won't want to read it. ;)

Tom

Pancakes 03.03.2020 22:05

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3153757)
Why? :confused:

They won't want to read it. ;)

Tom

It sounds like the OP could use a dose of random kindness. :)

Senior Java Developer 03.03.2020 22:20

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3153757)
Why? :confused:

They won't want to read it. ;)

Tom

Is it true?
I read somewhere in a forum, that it may help to get the apartment. I don't know what to do else.

Is it enough with the registration form alone?
Usually, I send the registration form, debt extract and work permit. I thought maybe motivational letter would help somehow... :confused:

Pancakes 03.03.2020 22:28

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
I suppose it couldn't hurt. But I know that there is often a LOT of competition for apartments in the Zurich area. So quite likely, it isn't that something is wrong with you or your application, but that so many other people had also applied.
We lived in an apartment in central Zurich when I first moved here, and when we moved out, we had well over 50 people come to view our apartment and apply for it. Have you considered living outside of central Zurich where perhaps the demand isn't quite so competitive?

DerDieDas 03.03.2020 22:33

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Senior Java Developer (Post 3153751)
Can someone help me, please, to update, adapt and translate my English motivational letter for a landlord to German? I can pay for a professional service.

I moved to Zurich in January. Until now I visited around 40 apartments. Applied for 15 and got a rejection for all of them.
I'm a little bit desperate now, maybe I'm doing something wrong.

The plan is to add the motivational letter to the registration form.

Danke!

Are you applying for really cheap apartments? If you can afford a higher rent, it might increase your changes to go a bit higher.

Senior Java Developer 03.03.2020 22:51

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3153765)
I suppose it couldn't hurt. But I know that there is often a LOT of competition for apartments in the Zurich area. So quite likely, it isn't that something is wrong with you or your application, but that so many other people had also applied.
We lived in an apartment in central Zurich when I first moved here, and when we moved out, we had well over 50 people come to view our apartment and apply for it. Have you considered living outside of central Zurich where perhaps the demand isn't quite so competitive?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerDieDas (Post 3153769)
Are you applying for really cheap apartments? If you can afford a higher rent, it might increase your changes to go a bit higher.

Long story short. Family from EU, me, wife and 1-year-old child. We both are in the early thirties. Work permit type B for 5 years, unlimited contract with the employer. Family income 130K CHF. Apartment budget 2000-2500 CHF. At least 3 rooms, at least 60 Sqm.

The only concern is that my family still is in the home country and will join me as soon as I'll find an apartment.

So far I applied in Altstetten, Schlieren, Dietikon, Wiedikon, Alt-Wiedikon, Sihlfeld, Adliswil, Opfikon, Oerlikon, Wallisellen, Affoltern, Wollishofen.
Rejected everywhere.

DerDieDas 03.03.2020 23:12

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Senior Java Developer (Post 3153780)
Long story short. Family from EU, me, wife and 1-year-old child. We both are in the early thirties. Work permit type B for 5 years, unlimited contract with the employer. Family income 130K CHF. Apartment budget 2000-2500 CHF. At least 3 rooms, at least 60 Sqm.

The only concern is that my family still is in the home country and will join me as soon as I'll find an apartment.

So far I applied in Altstetten, Schlieren, Dietikon, Wiedikon, Alt-Wiedikon, Sihlfeld, Adliswil, Opfikon, Oerlikon, Wallisellen, Affoltern, Wollishofen.
Rejected everywhere.

The budget sounds alright actually. I am sorry to hear you applied to so many and got rejected. My German is not very good otherwise I would help.

I have read that some people included a family photo in their application. One in which you are all smiling and in the woods or maybe mountains.
I don't know if this sort of thing makes a difference but I guess it doesn't hurt to try.

Good luck with the search.

Mrs. Doolittle 04.03.2020 00:42

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
I have never included a motivational letter with a client's application and the only photos I have ever provided would have been pictures of dogs in cases where a landlord wanted to see what kind of dog(s)and the size.

Have you considered asking your employer for assistance? What about asking colleagues at work for advice?

It is impossible to know from your posts why your application has been rejected. Maybe you need to take a closer look at the types of apartments you have been looking at and the location.

curley 04.03.2020 02:57

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3153757)
Why? :confused:

They won't want to read it. ;)

Tom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3153758)
It sounds like the OP could use a dose of random kindness. :)

While I agree with you, Pancakes, Tom is simply stating the fact. Which helps OP more than sugar coating.

OP: Anything is worth a try, so do add this letter. Just don't expect wonders from it, they have so many applications and little time to read more than those.

Also check your application forms again: Are they easily readable? All capitals is prefered, specially if names are complicated (to a Swiss reader I mean). Does the entire family have permits already or do you start the process when you have the appartment?
As someone mentioned: If you apply for flats people with less income can affort (and yes, there are many of those), landlords tend to prefer those. (For social reasons).

kri 04.03.2020 03:45

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Senior Java Developer (Post 3153762)
Is it true?
I read somewhere in a forum, that it may help to get the apartment. I don't know what to do else.

Is it enough with the registration form alone?
Usually, I send the registration form, debt extract and work permit. I thought maybe motivational letter would help somehow... :confused:


I think a motivation letter with family photo cannot harm.

Also, do you specify your wife and son will join you? If you only put yourself they may not want to give a single person a big flat.

Do you also add proof of income? You did not say and this could be an issue. Normally I have always addedd a letter from employer stating I have a permanent contract and earn such and such an that I am a good employee :).

The one thing I think helps a lot is also being among the first to apply, I always ran there in person the morning after the viewing.

Good luck!

Mrs. Doolittle 04.03.2020 13:40

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kri (Post 3153800)
I think a motivation letter with family photo cannot harm.

Also, do you specify your wife and son will join you? If you only put yourself they may not want to give a single person a big flat.

Do you also add proof of income? You did not say and this could be an issue. Normally I have always addedd a letter from employer stating I have a permanent contract and earn such and such an that I am a good employee :).

The one thing I think helps a lot is also being among the first to apply, I always ran there in person the morning after the viewing.

Good luck!

Doesn't appear the OP is looking at large flats at all.

New to Switzerland with a new job doesn't give the employee much history. If the new employee is still in the probationary period this can definitely be of some concern to a landlord. Temporary housing is often a good idea until one is sure of the employment situation.

As for viewings, not everyone has the flexibility to see a flat as soon as an ad appears, especially if one is in a new job. After work or weekends might be the only opportunity for a new employee who cannnot take time off work.

40 viewings but only 15 applications tells me that the OP is wasting a lot of time looking at flats that are unsuitable and not worth applying for. 15 rejections seems quite high looking at some of the locations the OP listed.

kri 04.03.2020 15:51

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Doolittle (Post 3153916)
Doesn't appear the OP is looking at large flats at all.

New to Switzerland with a new job doesn't give the employee much history. If the new employee is still in the probationary period this can definitely be of some concern to a landlord. Temporary housing is often a good idea until one is sure of the employment situation.

As for viewings, not everyone has the flexibility to see a flat as soon as an ad appears, especially if one is in a new job. After work or weekends might be the only opportunity for a new employee who cannnot take time off work.

40 viewings but only 15 applications tells me that the OP is wasting a lot of time looking at flats that are unsuitable and not worth applying for. 15 rejections seems quite high looking at some of the locations the OP listed.

Valid point about probation and may make sense at this point to wait until it's over assuming it's 3 months.

Some agencies will still favour families over a single person renting a 2 bedroom flat.

Brian1985 04.03.2020 19:37

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
Broaden your search to the silver coast (look at towns like Thalwil, Horgen, Wadenswil and Au) and places on the other side of the lake like Uster. The commutes into Zurich are easy enough (generally 20 minutes by train) and you get bigger apartments and lower taxes relative to living in Zurich city.

Swiss landlords are the ultimate example of a Bünzli. They have benefited from interest rates falling to below zero which has given them massive paper profits on their holdings which, in turn, has allowed them to become super picky about whom they rent to. I wanted to rent an apartment for 2k on a net monthly salary of 11k and the landlord refused to rent it to me saying that I would be depriving another family on a lower income from renting that apartment. I explained that I'm trying to save money for a deposit by living below my means but that couldn't overcome the "suitability" issue. I can't wait for those "paper" profits to disappear and for a return to a more capitalistic mindset.

swisspea 05.03.2020 00:11

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
What worked for us was:



a) word of mouth - finding a 'nachmieter' where it's not openly advertised.

b) getting the employer to help (my Swiss employer spoke directly to the landlord about our needs/requirements and convinced him we were long-term and stable and definitely needed the 'small' 5.5 room apartment for our family of 5!
c) doing a motivation letter with a photo and explanation of what we were looking for and why.


As others have said, you might be looking too cheap (130K does open you up to higher rent than 2000/month - the general amount I was suggested is 1/4 so more like 3000chf than 2000...and are you clear with the landlord that you have a wife/child you want to bring over ?



Also, are you looking a 2, 3, or more bedrooms ? For a family with just one child then you could be looking at 2 bedrooms or maybe 2 plus study, but if you want 5+ rooms (three bedrooms or more) then there are not a lot available and they will go either to large families or to share-housers...



If you're working for google I understand they have a relocation agent who is a Swisss local. I've met her a couple of times. She is related to my landlord. Our neighbours got placed directly from google into our next-door apartment... no advertising...



Wollishofen is competitive for apartments. And you definitely need to tell the landlord that you have a wife and child coming over... so they understand 'why' you need a cheap and large apartment...



For other options. Homegate is where everone looks. Immoscout is usually just the same. try RonORP for places advertised in German/Swiss-German but you'll need to advocate for yourself. Some people like flatfox. In my local area apartments are advertised at the Migros and Coop but they are usually small...


And keep looking- you do know there are two official moving dates ? 1 April and 1 October. The number of apartments being advertised will peak this month and you might be lucky to pick something up through to May or JUne where people have ended up with two apartments because they found a new one but didn't give notice for the old one... and that's when you might have a better chance...



We were looking for 2 years to find our 'permanent' family apartment - we were temporary for 2.5 years first... and it did come with compromises, but we love it...great location, good landlord, tolerant neighbours, kid-friendly... :msngrin:

Neko 05.03.2020 10:52

Re: Help with motivational letter for a landlord
 
A quick letter on the front of your folder would be a good idea, think bullet points to say inside they'll discover you've got a stable job, you're not being chased for debts and ideally if you could get a past landlord to say you paid your rent on time, behaved well as a tenant etc. Personally this worked for me before.


Good luck and remember it only takes one landlord/agent to say yes and the problem's sorted.


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