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Moving out with nowhere to move in

Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find some information online about this with no luck.
  • Does anybody know what happens if I cancel my rent contract and move out without having signed a new rent contract?
  • My residency permit contains my current address; what will happen after I move out? I can't think of updating it with a new address that I don't have.
I would like to cancel my rent contract, continue spending my time remote working from my home country and come back at the end of May. I will then stay in hotels or airbnb or at some friend's house while I rent a new house.


In case it matters:
  • I'm a subtenant, not the main tenant
  • My job contract is not going to change
  • I have a B permit that expires in 3 years
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Re: Moving out with nowhere to move in

Your permit's validity falls away if the middle point of your life is no longer in Switzerland. Although I understand that you're just wanting to be away for April, you still need to maintain the centre of your life here in Switzerland.

For some explanations of this legal concept, see this other thread. The circumstances there are different, but there are links and further explanations for others who also wanted to be outside of Switzerland for a while.
https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...itzerland.html

There's no problem at all with your going on holiday outside of Switzerland, from and returning to your main central point of residence in Switzerland.
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I will then stay in hotels or airbnb or at some friend's house while I rent a new house.
Figure out which friend that would be and then register at their address when you move out of your old place. April/May, you are "on holiday".
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continue spending my time remote working from my home country and come back at the end of May

Good luck with that, given that Switzerland's land and air borders are now all closed
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find some information online about this with no luck.
  • Does anybody know what happens if I cancel my rent contract and move out without having signed a new rent contract?
  • My residency permit contains my current address; what will happen after I move out? I can't think of updating it with a new address that I don't have.
I would like to cancel my rent contract, continue spending my time remote working from my home country and come back at the end of May. I will then stay in hotels or airbnb or at some friend's house while I rent a new house.


In case it matters:
  • I'm a subtenant, not the main tenant
  • My job contract is not going to change
  • I have a B permit that expires in 3 years
Thanks

What are the terms of your rent contract. How much notice are you required to give. You mention sub-tenant, is that a bedroom in a shared place or your own apartment. Is it furnished or will you have to put all your furniture somewhere



Not certain of rules with Swiss property leases but who do you pay? Is it the landlord or the head tenant? Consider that the head tenant may be required to still pay the rent to the landlord and have no income from you. How likely is that the a new sub-tenant can be quickly found.


Can you come to some arrangement with the tenant/landlord that you move out and therefore the place is able to be re-let but you continue to pay a portion while it is empty so that post continues to be delivered there and you still have the place listed as your residence. (Sure someone with more knowledge can advise on the legality of that)
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find some information online about this with no luck.
  • Does anybody know what happens if I cancel my rent contract and move out without having signed a new rent contract?
  • My residency permit contains my current address; what will happen after I move out? I can't think of updating it with a new address that I don't have.
I would like to cancel my rent contract, continue spending my time remote working from my home country and come back at the end of May. I will then stay in hotels or airbnb or at some friend's house while I rent a new house.


In case it matters:
  • I'm a subtenant, not the main tenant
  • My job contract is not going to change
  • I have a B permit that expires in 3 years
Thanks
2 months out of CH is normal, vacations. Just consider 2 things:

a) you still have to pay health insurance.

b) clarify with the main tenant your situation. The shared flat or house has a limited number people that can live there. This max number of people is controlled by local authorities to prevent overcrowding. If a new sub-tenant arrives before the end of May, the main tenant may need to deregister you to free a spot for the new sub-tenant and you may be deregistered by the main tenant out of necessity.
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Figure out which friend that would be and then register at their address when you move out of your old place. April/May, you are "on holiday".
Ask your friend before you do that or the friendship might evaporate quickly.
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Re: Moving out with nowhere to move in

Specifically with regard to the notice period for "furnished rooms", the Swiss Federal Council changed the law, within a COVID-19 Ordnance of 27th March 2020.

This is to be found in this document:
Verordnung
über die Abfederung der Auswirkungen des Coronavirus
im Miet- und Pachtwesen
(COVID-19-Verordnung Miete und Pacht)
vom 27. März 2020 (Stand am 28. März 2020)
This ruling took effect on 28th March 2020 um 00.00 Uhr, and is valid until 31st May 2020.

Art. 3
Kündigungsfrist für möblierte Zimmer und Einstellplätze
In Abweichung von Artikel 266e OR beträgt die Kündigungsfrist bei der Miete von möblierten Zimmern und von gesondert vermieteten Einstellplätzen oder ähnlichen Einrichtungen 30 Tage.

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Art. 3
Period of notice for furnished rooms and parking spaces
By way of derogation from Article 266e OR, the period of notice for the rental of furnished rooms and from separately rented parking spaces or similar
facilities is now 30 days.


It used to be 14 days.
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Good luck with that, given that Switzerland's land and air borders are now all closed
Maybe he's from Liechtenstein.
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Good luck with that, given that Switzerland's land and air borders are now all closed
As far as I know nationals can still return to their home country. Assuming they can find some way to travel there.
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Assuming they can find some way to travel there.

Exactly. No air routes now really, unless the home country is organising rescue missions. And unless the OP is from one of Switzerland's neighbouring countries, no transit will be possible, I suspect.
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Exactly. No air routes now really, unless the home country is organising rescue missions. And unless the OP is from one of Switzerland's neighbouring countries, no transit will be possible, I suspect.
Check Flightradar or the airport arrivals boards. Loads of planes arriving and departing and I've watched a few of them flying into ZRH from our balcony.
https://www.zurich-airport.com/passe...ures/arrivals/
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Re: Moving out with nowhere to move in

So much participation, thanks! Here are some answers to your questions.


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As far as I know nationals can still return to their home country. Assuming they can find some way to travel there.
I plan to come back by train. My residency is Switzerland, so I expect no troubles coming back home... Especially if I have to move out.


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Ask your friend before you do that or the friendship might evaporate quickly.
Yes, I fear this. I'll anticipate him my intention so that he can eventually decide to reduce my rent and keep me as a flatmate.


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What are the terms of your rent contract. How much notice are you required to give. You mention sub-tenant, is that a bedroom in a shared place or your own apartment. Is it furnished or will you have to put all your furniture somewhere
1 month of notice. I'm renting a room in a shared flat, no furniture. I just need to go back to Switzerland to move my clothes, documents and canned food.

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Today I've called the office of my municipality. They've told me I have 3 months "to roam", I just have to communicate to which address they can find me (hotel, airbnb, etc). After that I'm probably considered out of the municipality and I don't know what happens if I don't find a new address by that time.
So my current plan to move out without a new house seems feasible. My only doubt is if I will be allowed to go back to my country around the end of April so that I can spend May abroad. I fear Switzerland may introduce stricter measures to contain COVID-19 spread and at that point I would be stuck in some hotel in May, even without the chance to go out and visit new flats.
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So much participation, thanks! Here are some answers to your questions.

I plan to come back by train. My residency is Switzerland, so I expect no troubles coming back home... Especially if I have to move out.
Good chance you'll have to quarantine. Where will you do that?
Your friend would be well pleased .....

You have one month's notice (and I take it you did not decide/give in notice yet) and you'll be back end of May. That is one month's rent you would pay while not being here. Is it really that high that you can't afford it?
Seriously, any other time - sure, your plan is fine. But now?

I'd just pay that rent and enjoy my time where ever you're going, knowing what ever happens, I got somewhere to go back to (even sooner if something goes really wrong).
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I plan to come back by train. My residency is Switzerland, so I expect no troubles coming back home... Especially if I have to move out.
From SBB's site yesterday...

From Thursday 19 March 2020, international trains will only run to border stations.
https://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holida...el-europe.html

More info posted this morning:

https://news.sbb.ch/artikel/96331/co...ss-rail-travel
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You have one month's notice (and I take it you did not decide/give in notice yet) and you'll be back end of May. That is one month's rent you would pay while not being here. Is it really that high that you can't afford it?
Seriously, any other time - sure, your plan is fine. But now?

As today is the 31st I still have a couple of hours to decide if I want to move out at the end of April or May
But you're probably right, now it's too risky. I can totally afford to gift another month of rent to my flatmate. If I move out at the end of April and get stuck in Switzerland, I would have to indefinitely rent a hotel and spend much more; if I don't move out, I can relax 6/7 more weeks in my country and go back at the end of May, and get an extra month of time to decide.



Well I could rent a car to come back to Switzerland, but if I can't bring it back, it would cost me a fortune!
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Re: Moving out with nowhere to move in

In the current climate it's better to continue paying an amount you know while also being safe in terms of burocracy. I don't think traveling will be easy in April/May and you may need a place to quarantine etc. I would see it as an insurance more than rent money that went to waste.
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Well I could rent a car to come back to Switzerland, but if I can't bring it back, it would cost me a fortune!

One-way rentals cost an arm and a leg at the best of times, let alone cross-border. Not sure I'd particularly want to hire a car right now; you don't know who's had it before and how well it's been disinfected, if at all
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Well I could rent a car to come back to Switzerland, but if I can't bring it back, it would cost me a fortune!
During the volcanic ash cloud in 2010, which also shut down all air travel (which hasn't happened yet), the cheapest way my clients found to get back to the UK was to buy a second hand car and drive home. It worked out a helluva lot cheaper than hiring a car. Even so, where are you going to be able to buy a car?

You need to take into account that many car rental companies are very low on stock at the moment because people aren't using public transport unless they have no alternative, so essential workers have been taking out long term car rentals.
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As today is the 31st I still have a couple of hours to decide if I want to move out at the end of April or May
But you're probably right, now it's too risky. I can totally afford to gift another month of rent to my flatmate. If I move out at the end of April and get stuck in Switzerland, I would have to indefinitely rent a hotel and spend much more; if I don't move out, I can relax 6/7 more weeks in my country and go back at the end of May, and get an extra month of time to decide.
I just realized: That gifted month to your flatmate might turn out as a good investment. I don't know how long a B-permit holder is allowed to leave Switzerland. But the flatmate puts your mail on your pile everyday and knows who's knocking on the door looking for you.
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