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We moved into a small town in the canton of Zurich. The town is amazing, close to work, lots of families with kids.

The problem we have is a neighbour who smokes enough marijuana to make pollute our terrace. Now we can't even enjoy our terrace or leave windows open because the marijuana smoke sips in, making the apartment unbearable.

I asked the neighbour to be considerate. His response, more or less, was f.u., you can't do sh*t, marijuana is legal. This took me back, since I was asking him to be considerate, since we can't leave our apartment during the covid lockdown. We now feel like prisoners.

I realized that instead or escalating the issue with the neighbour, I should instead make it by building managements' problem.

I have emailed the building management company over the past month and a half regarding the offensive smell sipping into our apartment because the neighbour is smoking.

What steps should I take to escalate the issue?
does he have a balcony above or below you or on the same level?

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I dunno, "F. U. you can't do shit" is about as close to F. off one can get. The meaning is the same.

Agree with those who say check the lease before going too much further. Our lease prohibits smoking of any kind in our flat or in the building. Burnt cooking doesn't count though.


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I dunno, "F. U. you can't do shit" is about as close to F. off one can get. The meaning is the same.

Agree with those who say check the lease before going too much further. Our lease prohibits smoking of any kind in our flat or in the building. Burnt cooking doesn't count though.
Leases are known to contain clauses that do not hold up under swiss law. Smoking bans are one such clause. Even if you sign such a lease, it does not mean that you have to hold to such a rule.
Please consult a lawyer if you do not agree.
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Here is actually what the OP said. Not f. Off etc

Another lecturing load of nonsense based on non-factual quotes again...
Are you really trying to base an argument on the difference between F off and F you, as though they don't both essentially mean the same thing in the context of this thread? Wow, I didn't think it was possible for my opinion of your intellect to go any lower. Impressive.
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By telling you to go F yourself, he has basically declared war. and you can now take the gloves off.

Next time you smell it in your apartment and suspect its illegal cannabis, call the police and have them pay a visit. Write a letter to your landlord saying how the smell if affecting your quality of life and potentially your family's health, Do the same (call police) every week or so when you smell it and write a letter to your landlord every couple of weeks. Tell your (probably very angry by now having had several police visits and a couple of letters from the agency) neighbour that you will do so every time you smell it.

Over time this should grind them down enough to start closing the windows or smoking it elsewhere outside. If they get abusive with you... well, call the police again, it's what they are there for. With repetitive and consistent action they will understand and maybe see that polluting your balcony is more trouble than its worth. Just stick with it and be firm yet polite.
Over time this should grind them down enough and one day you will open the front door and face a shotgun blast in the head
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By telling you to go F yourself, he has basically declared war. and you can now take the gloves off.

Next time you smell it in your apartment and suspect its illegal cannabis, call the police and have them pay a visit. Write a letter to your landlord saying how the smell if affecting your quality of life and potentially your family's health, Do the same (call police) every week or so when you smell it and write a letter to your landlord every couple of weeks. Tell your (probably very angry by now having had several police visits and a couple of letters from the agency) neighbour that you will do so every time you smell it.

Over time this should grind them down enough to start closing the windows or smoking it elsewhere outside. If they get abusive with you... well, call the police again, it's what they are there for. With repetitive and consistent action they will understand and maybe see that polluting your balcony is more trouble than its worth. Just stick with it and be firm yet polite.
That is the unpleasant path I had to take. I called the cops, and I will be sending a registered letter to the building management. I will be demanding a 10 percent reduction in rent until the situation is resolved. I now have a lawyer advising me. The guy has made other neighbors move out in the past apparently.

My problem is not the pot, my problem is that unpleasant smells are taking away from me and my family enjoying the space we are paying for.
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What did the cops say?
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Re: Neighbour's marijuana smoke sipping into our apartment

I don't think that running an oscillating fan in the direction of his balcony in the meantime will cost much. I've seen some hefty industrial sized Caterpillar brand electric, floor standing fans in the Coop Bau&Hobby for about CHF 40 - and you could just leave it running all day if it helps stop smoke heading in your direction whilst you try other longer term solutions?
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That is the unpleasant path I had to take. I called the cops, and I will be sending a registered letter to the building management. I will be demanding a 10 percent reduction in rent until the situation is resolved. I now have a lawyer advising me. The guy has made other neighbors move out in the past apparently.

My problem is not the pot, my problem is that unpleasant smells are taking away from me and my family enjoying the space we are paying for.
Fully unrealistic. Go and live on the land in your own house if you dont want neighbours smells!
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The guy has made other neighbors move out in the past apparently.
This is a very interesting fact. It seems the guy has a anti-social attitude. I think it's worth the time to do a profile of your neighbor before taking any action.

Calling the cops on the antisocial pot-smoker is literally feeding the troll. The guy should be getting a lot of pleasure out of annoying his "prudish" neighbors. Sorry for the prudish, the point any reference to rules, lawyers and police will just make him stronger. You need to cut this source of pleasure to get what you want. You may win with the lawyer's help, but you're going to be drained emotionally and financially......while your neighbor will get the great pleasure of confirming rules are bad and prudish people is boring.

There might be an alternative to cops and lawyers: annoy the anti-social neighbor until he smokes in his living room with the windows completely shut.

After dozens of socialization failures in bars, markets and company parties; I can tell there's nothing that annoys people more than unrequested conversations. I thought casual conversation was a nice thing, then I moved to CH Perhaps it's a bit late but you can still try to kill him with kindness. If the guy is smoking alone in the balcony, don't hide. Grab a beer a go to your balcony to have a friendly chat about the pollen, weather and tell dad jokes. I can guarantee the anti-social guy will be scared of talking to an uncool dad and take refuge in his apartment.

Bonus points if you make a barbecue in your balcony with your kids talking and playing loudly while he tries to chillout. What is he going to do? Write a registered letter to management to complain about annoying neighbors?

Once again, trying to follow the rules is begging to be bullied by the bully. Sorry to say this but if were the pot smoker I'd take this battle out of boredom and get a lot of pleasure out of it.
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The guy has made other neighbors move out in the past apparently.
Did the police tell you that? Or other neighbours? If there are remaining neighbours who are also unhappy with his behaviour, then ask them to write to the landlord/agent, too.
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Re: Neighbour's marijuana smoke sipping into our apartment

I think you should try giving your neighbour a break, and if it bothers you consider moving. He's smoking huge amounts of pot so he is in some kind of pain with an underlying mental health issue, which you may be exacerbating. Maybe he suffered physical or emotional abuse as a child and now may perceive you to be stepping into the role as abuser. He probably needs mothering or fathering so if you want to stay there, invite him into your life and start being role models, not dicks.




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We moved into a small town in the canton of Zurich. The town is amazing, close to work, lots of families with kids.

The problem we have is a neighbour who smokes enough marijuana to make pollute our terrace. Now we can't even enjoy our terrace or leave windows open because the marijuana smoke sips in, making the apartment unbearable.

I asked the neighbour to be considerate. His response, more or less, was f.u., you can't do sh*t, marijuana is legal. This took me back, since I was asking him to be considerate, since we can't leave our apartment during the covid lockdown. We now feel like prisoners.

I realized that instead or escalating the issue with the neighbour, I should instead make it by building managements' problem.

I have emailed the building management company over the past month and a half regarding the offensive smell sipping into our apartment because the neighbour is smoking.

What steps should I take to escalate the issue?
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I think you should try giving your neighbour a break, and if it bothers you consider moving. He's smoking huge amounts of pot so he is in some kind of pain with an underlying mental health issue, which you may be exacerbating. Maybe he suffered physical or emotional abuse as a child and now may perceive you to be stepping into the role as abuser. He probably needs mothering or fathering so if you want to stay there, invite him into your life and start being role models, not dicks.
What a load of crap. I assume that you are also a heavy pot smoker because I can't think of another logical reason why you would be telling the OP to "give the person a break" and even telling them to move unless half of your brain is also missing.
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What a load of crap. I assume that you are also a heavy pot smoker because I can't think of another logical reason why you would be telling the OP to "give the person a break" and even telling them to move unless half of your brain is also missing.
WOW...didnt know people made so many assumptions "are you a heavy alcohol drinker" by chance? Considering you have just assumed he is a heavy Pot Smoker (and who even calls it POT these days???)...its like name calling right?

Yes its annoying, someone smoking, the smell of someones food, someones cat on your balcony, birds shitting on your umbrella etc...but its a part of life!!

Maybe the man just likes to smoke, but he has a decent job, may have kids, still goes about life like any other person. Why is he not allowed to have a smoke on his balcony, that he also pays for with his money (just like you)?

You cant ask him to smoke inside, anyone with a right mind would never smoke inside...its disgusting.

In the grand scheme of things its not a big deal, close your windows for a while. Just like i have to do when there are "bad" smells outside...

Cigs and Weed both smell..if you live above a smoker and dont like it..its time to move.
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You cant ask him to smoke inside, anyone with a right mind would never smoke inside...its disgusting.

Nowhere near as disgusting for selfish pri@ks to inflict their vile disgusting habits on everyone else because they are so weak willed that they must have their fix. It is not only the smell but the health hazards of any type of smoke especially for people who have underlying health issues such as asthma. Given what OP has said, his neighbour isn't smoking weed for any legitimate medical reasons. Marijuana smoke is also toxic and can be fatal for dogs.

Given your self righteous I am entitled to my rights and F everyone attitude I am guessing you are a smoker, cigs or otherwise. Actually nobody with a right mind would even be a cigarette smoker. If people want to burn their money that is just fine but don't do it around others.

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You cant ask him to smoke inside, anyone with a right mind would never smoke inside...its disgusting.
If you think it's disgusting what cigarette smoke does to the inside of an apartment room, which may be 100m3, just think how disgusting it is inside your lungs where it is concentrated many, many more times.

That's disgusting.
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Re: Neighbour's marijuana smoke sipping into our apartment

I hate the smell of weed, and one of the reasons I wanted a house was to avoid having the chance of weed/cigaratte smokers below my balcony.

In fact, when the daughter of the family next door smokes weed in the garden, the smell seeps into our house (row/terrace house) and I really hate it. I tolerate it by closing the windows, but in summer it sometimes really bothers me. It is surprising how much it comes into our house to be honest.

I have read that weed on the whole is a lot stronger in potency than when I was a teenager, doesn't help. I sympathise totally with the OP. One of those tricky situations.
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There is a girl up on the 4th floor of our building who can't use her balcony or open the balcony doors because someone is smoking weed and the smell wafts into her place. The problem for her it's someone in the building next door.
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WOW...didnt know people made so many assumptions "are you a heavy alcohol drinker" by chance? Considering you have just assumed he is a heavy Pot Smoker (and who even calls it POT these days???)...its like name calling right?

Yes its annoying, someone smoking, the smell of someones food, someones cat on your balcony, birds shitting on your umbrella etc...but its a part of life!!

Maybe the man just likes to smoke, but he has a decent job, may have kids, still goes about life like any other person. Why is he not allowed to have a smoke on his balcony, that he also pays for with his money (just like you)?

You cant ask him to smoke inside, anyone with a right mind would never smoke inside...its disgusting.

In the grand scheme of things its not a big deal, close your windows for a while. Just like i have to do when there are "bad" smells outside...

Cigs and Weed both smell..if you live above a smoker and dont like it..its time to move.
Were you purposefully trying to write the most stupid and illogical post possible, given what has already been written regarding laws and apartment regulations in the thread? If so then congrats, you succeeded.
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We moved into a small town in the canton of Zurich. The town is amazing, close to work, lots of families with kids.

The problem we have is a neighbour who smokes enough marijuana to make pollute our terrace. Now we can't even enjoy our terrace or leave windows open because the marijuana smoke sips in, making the apartment unbearable.

I asked the neighbour to be considerate. His response, more or less, was f.u., you can't do sh*t, marijuana is legal. This took me back, since I was asking him to be considerate, since we can't leave our apartment during the covid lockdown. We now feel like prisoners.

I realized that instead or escalating the issue with the neighbour, I should instead make it by building managements' problem.

I have emailed the building management company over the past month and a half regarding the offensive smell sipping into our apartment because the neighbour is smoking.

What steps should I take to escalate the issue?
So if it was cigarette smoking it would be no problem?
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