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Durhamexile 27.04.2020 12:57

Maintenance responsibilities
 
I have rented a house for over 7 years and am getting ready to downsize. Obviously I am aware that I was responsible for gardening maintenance but does this extend to painting a garden shed and cleaning paving stones?

Guest 27.04.2020 13:12

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Was this not clear in your contract? Check.

If it wasn't, it should have been. If I was renting my home, I would make it clear in contract that both should be part of normal maintenance. Patio twice a year, shed every 5 years.

fatmanfilms 27.04.2020 14:47

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Was this not clear in your contract? Check.

If it wasn't, it should have been. If I was renting my home, I would make it clear in contract that both should be part of normal maintenance. Patio twice a year, shed every 5 years.
I think you will find it's stated in law in CH

Durhamexile 27.04.2020 20:21

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Was this not clear in your contract? Check.

If it wasn't, it should have been. If I was renting my home, I would make it clear in contract that both should be part of normal maintenance. Patio twice a year, shed every 5 years.
Not specified in contract.

Also they are claiming that the irrigation system which failed two years ago was not included in contract but it wasn’t specifically excluded.

bowlie 27.04.2020 20:28

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Are you an ASLOCA member? If not you should join.

Many landlords will simply fold if they learn that ASLOCA are on the case.

Durhamexile 27.04.2020 20:41

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3176381)
Are you an ASLOCA member? If not you should join.

Many landlords will simply fold if they learn that ASLOCA are on the case.

Yes I joined last week. And let landlord know.

Guest 27.04.2020 20:47

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Hope it helps - but perhaps a timely reminder that anyone who rents in Switzerland should join Asloca or Mietverband right from the start.

Durhamexile 27.04.2020 20:55

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Hope it helps - but perhaps a timely reminder that anyone who rents in Switzerland should join Asloca or Mietverband right from the start.
Your absolutely correct. And I really should have thought about this as I had a recent work issue and joined a trade union who were tremoundously supportive.

In my defense I have had until now a good relationship with the owner. With hindsight they have spent zero maintenance on the property in nearly 8 years -I have even fixed many minor issues myself. They have now realized they have a backlog of issues and want me to rectify them. I was being pretty reasonable with their requests as I have time and the weather is good but the list just kept creeping.

I believe I am in a relatively good position having been a tenant for more than 5 years.

KiwiSteve 28.04.2020 07:29

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Originally Posted by Durhamexile (Post 3176395)
Your absolutely correct. And I really should have thought about this as I had a recent work issue and joined a trade union who were tremoundously supportive.

In my defense I have had until now a good relationship with the owner. With hindsight they have spent zero maintenance on the property in nearly 8 years -I have even fixed many minor issues myself. They have now realized they have a backlog of issues and want me to rectify them. I was being pretty reasonable with their requests as I have time and the weather is good but the list just kept creeping.

I believe I am in a relatively good position having been a tenant for more than 5 years.

Switzerland is a unique mix of socialism and capitalism. It is in one's own interest to join a trade union and the tenants association if applicable, forget any political hang-ups that you may have.

John_H 28.04.2020 09:00

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I'm sure there are many grey areas and scope for arguments.. I would say cleaning the patio is normal maintenance but painting the shed I would doubt unless it's in the contract.

I have to maintain my garden but in the contract it says : maintain the lawns and trim the hedges.. For my own benefit I also plant flowers, clean the terrace, the driveways etc..

We have a big boundary wall thing that's getting pretty overgrown though and sits sort of outside our fence and in a field, I don't plan to get into a discussion with the farmer over that, I'm going to throw that back to the regie / landlord.

Guest 28.04.2020 10:26

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Yes, a good idea to communicate with landlord/regie if and when things arise, and tell them it is becoming a problem and seeking advice- rather than letting things get out of hand until it is a big issue.

aSwissInTheUS 28.04.2020 10:32

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3176217)
I think you will find it's stated in law in CH

It is quite unspecific and refers back to the contract:

Art. 267 Abs. 1 Code of Obligations https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a267
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At the end of the lease, the tenant or lessee must return the object in a condition that accords with its contractually designated use
For house rentals it is not unusual that all or most maintenance costs are on the renter.

John_H 28.04.2020 10:36

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Yes, a good idea to communicate with landlord/regie if and when things arise, and tell them it is becoming a problem and seeking advice- rather than letting things get out of hand until it is a big issue.
This is a problem I have.. We're less than a year in. Previous people were here 10 years and by all accounts they had a good relationship with the owner.. However the owner died recently and the place is kept in his family..

Now when I contact the regie it's like pulling teeth to get anything fixed.. Stuff that's damaging the house even, not stuff for my luxury. I have no contact with who-ever the owner is..

How does that aspect work actually .. I doubt very much that half things I report don't even reach the owner.. Could I or should I try to contact them direct??

In my previous place the owner lived next door and he took care of anything himself while we had a beer. He hated the (same) regie.

aSwissInTheUS 28.04.2020 10:43

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Originally Posted by John_H (Post 3176552)
How does that aspect work actually .. I doubt very much that half things I report don't even reach the owner.. Could I or should I try to contact them direct??

I am sure the owner would be happy if they know the regie/Verwaltung does not a proper job. If you do not know who the owner is you can contact the building register (Grundbuchamt/registre foncier), as a renter you have a right to know.

Guest 28.04.2020 11:01

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Interesting question John. As a prospective owner/rentor- I would certainly like to know of any issue with the property, especially those that could potentially cause structural or real damage if not fixed. Do you know any member of that family and do any live locally? If it was me renting out a property- I would like to be hands on and in real contact with tenant. We are thinking of renting out our place in the UK, but we love the place and feel it is very much our second home- and I can't bear the thought of the place being trashed and don't trust Management companies.

Durhamexile 05.05.2020 11:00

Re: Maintenance responsibilities
 
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Originally Posted by Durhamexile (Post 3176173)
I have rented a house for over 7 years and am getting ready to downsize. Obviously I am aware that I was responsible for gardening maintenance but does this extend to painting a garden shed and cleaning paving stones?

So I bought a pressure washer and cleaned all the paving stones and clarified with Regie that shed painting was not my responsibility.

I now have a broken water heater that flooded on Friday and have had no hot water since!


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