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Parkett Problems

So our parkett floor seemed very nice when we moved in. But the boards are starting to separate. Not a lot, maybe the with of a piece of paper.
Now the first gaps have gotten mm size, and paper-sized gaps are appearing throughout (5 or 6 locations).


I have been trying to fill them with wax or spachtel, but it's a tedious, messy job, and doesn't turn out too well.


Any advice here?
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Old 30.04.2020, 11:01
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Re: Parkett Problems

Are your renting? If so contact your landlord as this should not happen.


Sorry, no idea what you can do, our parkett was done 5 years ago and still looks very nice.
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Old 30.04.2020, 11:03
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Are your renting? If so contact your landlord as this should not happen.


Sorry, no idea what you can do, our parkett was done 5 years ago and still looks very nice.



Yes renting---I try to avoid the landlord, they always seem to over charge us. If I'm going to pay for it anyways, I'd rather do it myself--hire someone myself.
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Re: Parkett Problems

Was the floor new when you moved in or is the air in the house now considerable dryer than before?

Filling up the gaps might be tricky and cause a lot of problems if the wooden parts would expand again, I'd be careful with this if it is unknown why the floor still shrinks.

EDIT: Ah renting, don't be stubborn and give this to the landlord I'd say.
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Re: Parkett Problems

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Was the floor new when you moved in or is the air in the house now considerable dryer than before?

Filling up the gaps might be tricky and cause a lot of problems if the wooden parts would expand again, I'd be careful with this if it is unknown why the floor still shrinks.

EDIT: Ah renting, don't be stubborn and give this to the landlord I'd say.

It was lightly used when we moved in. One previous tenant's 2nd apartment so no much use.


Well I know it sounds stubborn, but if we're going to pay to replace the whole floor, might as well do it when we move out. Rather than the landlord fixing it, then the same happening, then we have to pay twice.
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Re: Parkett Problems

Depending on the type, it should last from 10 to 40 years:



https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/miet...ertabelle.html


Choose Bodenbeläge and type in Parkett
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Old 30.04.2020, 11:45
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Re: Parkett Problems

To my understanding, that link will just prove to the landlord they can charge us.


In theory, the issue is just cosmetic, and they will definitely charge us for that.




We've tried before to complain about an inferior repair, and got stuck with a hefty bill.
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To my understanding, that link will just prove to the landlord they can charge us.


In theory, the issue is just cosmetic, and they will definitely charge us for that.

We've tried before to complain about an inferior repair, and got stuck with a hefty bill.
If it is a problem with the floor itself they cannot make you pay for it, if you however do wrong repairs yourself or silence up for long time so problems get worse they should and can make you pay for things.
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Yeah this is the dilemma, I don't see how we can prove that it was problem with the floor itself.



They are just going to claim that we mistreated it. They pulled a similar stunt earlier, in a situation where it was impossible for us to mistreat


The wrong repairs/silence is of concern--so I appreciate all the input so far.
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Re: Parkett Problems

Can you post a few pics? Paper thickness gaps and up to a mm at a few locations doesn't sound like a big deal to me. We live in a wooden house so we get that kind of movement on a regular basis (no gaps in summer and gaps in winter). Before your handover, get your house to be humid for a few weeks, mop your floor and everything should swell up nicely and the gaps will disappear.
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Can you post a few pics? Paper thickness gaps and up to a mm at a few locations doesn't sound like a big deal to me. We live in a wooden house so we get that kind of movement on a regular basis (no gaps in summer and gaps in winter). Before your handover, get your house to be humid for a few weeks, mop your floor and everything should swell up nicely and the gaps will disappear.

https://imgur.com/a/jdYlXIF

Here's a few pics of a good, and increasingly larger situation. The larger ones: about 5 places like that, the smaller ones 8-10 situations, of course I feel like they're growing
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Re: Parkett Problems

"What happens if you ruin the parquet floor of your rented apartment or collide with and injure a pedestrian on your bike? AXA's personal liability insurance protects you from the financial consequences. In addition, it covers all persons who live permanently in the same household: family, partner, roommates."



Take out the Legal Protection Insurance also.
I don't see how you are liable anyway.
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Re: Parkett Problems

I agree with Patxi, humidify your house - our tenancy agreement in Zumikon indicated that we should have a humidifier running as much as possible. We did this in the last 2 years or so of our tenancy, and before that dried washing indoors etc (no drips on the parquet floor). That floor tended to move a little according to the season, too, with similar gaps to yours, but it was handed over with no problem (luckily our landlord was a kind and understanding man).

I would keep measuring the gap/s on a weekly basis, get a humidifier if you don't already have one, and monitor progress. I wouldn't be in a big rush to confess to your unpleasant landlord, but document the details and care you are taking, it might help if or when you have to discuss this problem.


I wish you good luck.
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Re: Parkett Problems

I never though they were too dry.


Great input, thanks to all.


I thought it was from them being wet, and went borderline crazy not letting a drop of moisture on the floor anywhere. Cost me a few relationships .


Will mop and try and raise the humidity in the flat.


Thanks again for the good input!
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Be reassured it's not you! This year is particularly dry so normally a bit of washing drying on a rack helps with humidity over winter. It looks to me like the boards are varnished so much more difficult to get the moisture back into them. Mopping will help and dry the washing over the worst gaps. As much as the landlord is a Pita best to send them a letter with photos registered to cover yourself. If you are near a hardware store get some water based stain a shade darker and paint between the worst of the gaps with a tiny brush, wipe off the excess and this will disguise them so it looks better.
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I'd contact the landlord. That shouldn't be happening and I can't see how they could blame it on you.
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You can take photos and send them to your insurance (assuming you have third party liability). Then it becomes an issue between the insurance and the landlord, unless you have been grossly negligent which it does not sound like.
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You can take photos and send them to your insurance (assuming you have third party liability). Then it becomes an issue between the insurance and the landlord, unless you have been grossly negligent which it does not sound like.
Doesn't sound like the problem was caused by normal wear and tear. I think too that it's an insurance job, but I think it should be covered by the landlord's insurance.

"Boden neu verlegen: Die üblichen Verschleisserscheinungen an Teppich, Laminat und Parkett sind mit der Miete abgegolten. Erst wenn der Boden nahezu unbenutzbar ist, muss der Vermieter ihn erneuern. Ausnahme: Der Mieter hat den Boden selbst heruntergewirtschaftet. In diesem Fall muss er auch für den Austausch des Bodens aufkommen." https://ratgeber.immowelt.ch/a/renov...er-zahlen.html

Translation: "Renewal of flooring: the usual signs of wear on carpets, laminates and parquet are covered by the rent. The landlord only has to renew it when the floor is almost unusable. Exception: The tenant has damaged the flooring himself. In which case he is responsible for the replacement of the floor."

I wouldn't carry out any repairs to the floor, either DIY or professional, as the damage wasn't caused by you, the tenant. I'd write a registered letter to the landlord, stating all the facts and backing it up with photos. I think the sensible course of action would be to get a professional to assess the damage and suggest a remedy.
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Re: Parkett Problems

If you have multiple issues with your landlord, it might be worth your while to take out membership with the Mieterverband https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv/mitg...ionswahlHeader

it costs SFr 90.00 for the first year, and SFr 75.00 per year thereafter. They offer telephone and email consultations for free to their members. (SFr 80.00 for a half-hour phone consultation to non-members).
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I never though they were too dry.


Great input, thanks to all.


I thought it was from them being wet, and went borderline crazy not letting a drop of moisture on the floor anywhere. Cost me a few relationships .


Will mop and try and raise the humidity in the flat.


Thanks again for the good input!

Chemmie just a few questions.


Do you have floor heating?
Is your parkett glued to the floor?
Is your parkett "tongue and groove" or "click"?
Is this problem only in one room?
How high is the moisture in your room?
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