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Re: are water softeners common in CH

We have a Swisskalk. Its actually an American made softener with Swisskalk stickers on.

It uses about a 10kg bag of salt tablets (wont take loose salt) a month. CHF8 at Landi.

The guy who installed it put a sticker on it to say that it needed servicing every 12 months. He admitted that it could last 2 years without. So far its gone 3 years without. I guess this is where Swisskalk make their money...
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Two languages (unless you are including Rumantsch), as we don't have hard water in Ticino other than in Stabio.

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Did you know that Italian is spoken in Grigioni, Tom?

Lots of hard water there.
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We have a Swisskalk. Its actually an American made softener with Swisskalk stickers on.

It uses about a 10kg bag of salt tablets (wont take loose salt) a month. CHF8 at Landi.

The guy who installed it put a sticker on it to say that it needed servicing every 12 months. He admitted that it could last 2 years without. So far its gone 3 years without. I guess this is where Swisskalk make their money...
Ours is going very strong after 4.5 years (still touching wood) without any services.

We buy salt tablets in Germany at EUR 8 for a 25 kg bag -- before the tax refund. Handy if you're anywhere near the border, but not a lot of fun if you have to lug them home on the tram.
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Re: are water softeners common in CH

thank you AbFab and 22yards. Your feedback will help taking decision in favour of SwissKalk.

A neighbour is checking if he can pull any discounts on BWT water softener, but I guess it will easily be double the price and a complete waste of money when it is the salt and the reliaility of the equipment doing the job at the end of the day.
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Re: are water softeners common in CH

I moved into a house where a Culligan had just been installed and because of the expected change in ownership there was no service contract signed... a couple of years on I phoned Culligan if it needed any servicing or checks and maybe I got lucky but the person down the line actually "no" and it was only worth calling them if it broke down. Honest advice and it works fine.


Two things to think about:
- see if you can exclude the garden hose from the water softener, plumbers should be aware of this, you don't need soft water to wash the car, water the lawn etc

- the salt you pour into the barrel from time to time does go into the water you drink from the tap. It's obviously not salty to taste at all and our taste buds are naturally very sensitive but can be worth thinking about for those on low salt diets, if you're concerned you can even plumb in the hot water only as this will save your hot water tank, work when showering etc
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I moved into a house where a Culligan had just been installed and because of the expected change in ownership there was no service contract signed... a couple of years on I phoned Culligan if it needed any servicing or checks and maybe I got lucky but the person down the line actually "no" and it was only worth calling them if it broke down. Honest advice and it works fine.


Two things to think about:
- see if you can exclude the garden hose from the water softener, plumbers should be aware of this, you don't need soft water to wash the car, water the lawn etc

- the salt you pour into the barrel from time to time does go into the water you drink from the tap. It's obviously not salty to taste at all and our taste buds are naturally very sensitive but can be worth thinking about for those on low salt diets, if you're concerned you can even plumb in the hot water only as this will save your hot water tank, work when showering etc
All good points. My wife claims that the softened water doesn't taste as good as regular tap water; I can't tell the difference.

Re. the garden hose, as noted earlier, due to the pipe configuration, all my water, garden included, is hooked up to the water softener. The solution is simple: bypass the water softener on the rare occasions when I use the garden hose for any significant period of time. A tap is included in the installation for this purpose.
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thank you AbFab and 22yards. Your feedback will help taking decision in favour of SwissKalk.

A neighbour is checking if he can pull any discounts on BWT water softener, but I guess it will easily be double the price and a complete waste of money when it is the salt and the reliaility of the equipment doing the job at the end of the day.
We've got one from BWT. It's quite a few years old. It needed a rubber seal replaced when we bought the house but it's been fine for the last three years.

To be honest, they're all pretty similar. Buy the one you get the best deal on.
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Re: are water softeners common in CH

The softened water in our previous apartment building gave me skin problems on the palms of my hands and I had to seek medical treatment.
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Kalks great. Gives you strong teeth and bones.
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Kalks great. Gives you strong teeth and bones.
True, but if you own your own place, it costs a lot to replace and repair dishwashers, washing machines, plumbing fitting, boilers, pumps and so on....
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I use a Brita to fill the coffee machine and ice machine.

Since we live in a rental, we cant soften the whole system, but I was wondering if a shower attachment exists - Id love to have softer water in the shower.
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Re: are water softeners common in CH

Our water softener uses salt granules, maybe 2 -3 25 kg bags per year. It is also made in the US, by Morton, and distributed here.

It is not connected to the garden water.

It has a 5 year warranty and we do have a service every 2 years.
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Re: are water softeners common in CH

I hope you all realise that those salt based water softeners are very bad for the environment and a significant contributor to the increased salinity of lakes and rivers.

For example https://www.freedrinkingwater.com/wa...ent-impact.htm
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1'st world problem. The waters to hard for showering. 3 rd world problem-there's no water!
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I hope you all realise that those salt based water softeners are very bad for the environment and a significant contributor to the increased salinity of lakes and rivers.

For example https://www.freedrinkingwater.com/wa...ent-impact.htm
I'm not sure that's the most scientifically rigorous information source out there (especially given that they compete with water softeners). From that website:

"A typical household uses up to 100 pounds of salt per month for water softening"

100 pounds is 45 kg. What sort of "typical" household is that?! We (a family of four) use 75 kg, maximum, per year!
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I hope you all realise that those salt based water softeners are very bad for the environment and a significant contributor to the increased salinity of lakes and rivers.
Which you need to balance against hard water which results in:

Increases use of soap and detergents.
Increased use of harsh chemicals to decalc showers, baths etc.
Decreased life of coffee machines etc.
Furring of pipes leading to decreased efficiency for heating.
Reduced life of clothes after washing.

I don't have any figures either.
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- the salt you pour into the barrel from time to time does go into the water you drink from the tap. It's obviously not salty to taste at all and our taste buds are naturally very sensitive but can be worth thinking about for those on low salt diets, if you're concerned you can even plumb in the hot water only as this will save your hot water tank, work when showering etc
A cationic resin water softener works by replacing Ca (Calcium) and Mg (Magnesium) ions by Na (Sodium) ions, true that if you are worried with low Sodium content diet you should avoid drinking and cooking with this water but it will not taste "salty" at all as there won't be the Cl in the soft water. I will taste different though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion-exchange_resin
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Water Softener installation / Adoucisseur d'eau

hi all,
hope you're keeping well and in good health.

Can anyone advise me a brand / installation company for a bi-bloc water softener? based on experience ideally of course.
i saw there is a recent threat on this subject but different topic

i would like to get this installed. i have an offer from Culligan so far but
in my eyes they are very expensive.

thanks a lot
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Re: Saltless Water Softerner?

https://www.culliganindustrialwater.com/products/
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