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Re: Buying taps in Germany?

You don't need a plumber to fit taps. The technology nowadays is quite simple.

Anyway if you decide to get a plumber, there a lot of plumbers in Switzerland who don't will do the work with your parts. Especially foreigners. Get the phone numbers, call and describe the work to be done. If the answer is not straight forward move to the next.

If you decide to get let's say a German plumber, you do the same. Get a list of phone number from a town in Germany near the border an call. Or you can go to an Obi and ask for a plumber.
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Old 28.05.2020, 12:44
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Not a single plumber in our region will fit, never mind guarantee, products they don't know- for 100s of reasons, and money not being the only one (in our case, they passed the discount onto us).
I thought we'd cleared that one up - the products are the same.
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Re: Buying taps in Germany?

My advice is watch some videos on YouTube and do it yourself.

I fitted new sinks, shower, toilets, heated towel rail and shaving cabinets all bought from Reuter or Megabad in two double bathrooms. On materials alone I saved ~CHFs 10k. And then another CHFs 15k on labour.

The funny thing was that the shower panels and cabinets were made in Switzerland!

Only downside was that it took me 9 months and fitting toilets is not very pleasant. It did help that everything in our house was euronorm.
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Old 28.05.2020, 13:04
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Insurance- wise - I wonder. If you fit plumbing yourself and you get a leak that causes a lot of damage- what happens? With electrics, you certainly would not.
We had a bet on a similar topic, you asked your friendly insurance guy & he agreed with me last time.
Even an Electrician on the forum said it was OK to change trip switches in a fuse box earlier in the week
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Old 28.05.2020, 13:09
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We had a bet on a similar topic, you asked your friendly insurance guy & he agreed with me last time.
Even an Electrician on the forum said it was OK to change trip switches in a fuse box earlier in the week
We had to do the RASI check last year, and I did half the work that the inspector noted, the electrician the rest, as well as verifying my work, and billed me for half of his estimate.

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Old 28.05.2020, 20:53
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The local French plumbers all work for the Swiss plumbers same for carpenters, electricians ... Well not all- but the local firms are headed by Swiss but employ many frontaliers. The thing is, it is a choice at the end of the day- by using local artisans, you buy a lot more than taps (in the case of our guest bathroom- it was a lot more than that- ceiling down, changing postions of doors, insulatint, knocking down walls and building new ones ...so not something we could have done ourselves) - you buy into loyalty and service- you know they will be there in minutes in an emergency and back you up with insurance, etc. Imagine what would happenn with a plumbing emergency during border closure. Local guy would just tell you he is really busy and can't fit you in. If you are a customer, they will be there in a few minutes.

Not a single plumber in our region will fit, never mind guarantee, products they don't know- for 100s of reasons, and money not being the only one (in our case, they passed the discount onto us).

Insurance- wise - I wonder. If you fit plumbing yourself and you get a leak that causes a lot of damage- what happens? With electrics, you certainly would not.
My experience with Swiss house insurance is that damage like that caused by plumbing leaks is not covered anyway.

The law in Zürich Canton is that one can fit taps oneself but not lay plumbing pipes.
If the insurance company wanted to be difficult then they would have to prove the taps were incorrectly installed not just home installed.

The word "guarantee" has been used a lot here. For me, this is a comforting word but it has no meaning. My experience is guarantees are only useful when in writing, clearly define what is covered and what the remedial action is.
Preferably backed up by some major organisation like an insurance company that will not disappear overnight.
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We had to do the RASI check last year, and I did half the work that the inspector noted, the electrician the rest, as well as verifying my work, and billed me for half of his estimate.

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Similar thing five years ago when we had the RASI check and I did all the fixing work. An electrician came in to lay some cable for some new items and he checked my work for nothing.
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If you know what you are doing, and you have an artisan, be it plumber or electrician, who is prepared to verify your work and approve it- that is fine. Rare unless you are local and hey belong to your Stammtisch or Club. If you do such work yourself without getting professional to check and approve, and there is a major problem or fire- you will be in trouble. Communes require you to have a professional electric surveyor to check all your electrics - if they notice work and appliances which are not fitted properly or faulty, not earthed, etc - they will give you a short period of time to remedy if they feel it was an innocent oversight- but will take it very seriously if they realise you have taken stupid risks and by-passed regulations. If there is a fire, and the survey shows it was a faulty installation not covered by a professional guarantee - you are in the doodoo. This happened to a local farmer recently. This is worse if your work puts other lives in danger. In the case mentionned, some farm workers.

Very different to fitting taps, of course.
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If you know what you are doing, and you have an artisan, be it plumber or electrician, who is prepared to verify your work and approve it- that is fine. Rare unless you are local and hey belong to your Stammtisch or Club. If you do such work yourself without getting professional to check and approve, and there is a major problem or fire- you will be in trouble.
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which will happen when the next official control takes place, or in case of serious incident.
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If you know what you are doing, and you have an artisan, be it plumber or electrician, who is prepared to verify your work and approve it- that is fine. Rare unless you are local and hey belong to your Stammtisch or Club. If you do such work yourself without getting professional to check and approve, and there is a major problem or fire- you will be in trouble. Communes require you to have a professional electric surveyor to check all your electrics - if they notice work and appliances which are not fitted properly or faulty, not earthed, etc - they will give you a short period of time to remedy if they feel it was an innocent oversight- but will take it very seriously if they realise you have taken stupid risks and by-passed regulations. If there is a fire, and the survey shows it was a faulty installation not covered by a professional guarantee - you are in the doodoo. This happened to a local farmer recently. This is worse if your work puts other lives in danger. In the case mentionned, some farm workers.

Very different to fitting taps, of course.
I guess I was listening at school during Physics aged 12, repeated age 14 & engineering aged 14.

Actually not earthed is very normal in older installations & perfectly safe if a RCD is fitted,(Interrupteur différentiel in French)

Who said anything about bypassing regulations? Interestingly we had a 10k Instalation in a very small studio in Zurich & the electrician used cable way to thin on the 32A outlets, had to be re-wired 5 years later after they did the inspection.
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which will happen when the next official control takes place, or in case of serious incident.
The inspector won't notice anything different, so it won't cross his mind something could be wrong! If Marton had done something wrong, the system would have tripped immediately, however he is not stupid so will not have reversed 1 set of wires
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