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Re: Burnt plug socket and the landlord says that I have to pay its reparation

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Yes but if it is inspected some upgrades maybe required, for example installation of earth leakage circuit breakers but not a total rewiring.
Only if the installation has been renovated/expanded during the time period in which those breakers are mandatory, and in such case also only for the new parts.

An insurance might have its own opinion, but the law is incredible clear on this.
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Old 26.06.2020, 11:21
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"There's no such thing as a free lunch" ;-)
Not with that attitude, no.
You see, if you think you get freebies because of your looks, because of being expected to do something back for the other etc. you emanate the attitude of "I deserve it" and booom, you won't get it.
Some people - including me - often just do something for others because they can.

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LOL, nope Googled her, not a curl in sight.


Anyway, this thread is about sockets and plugs (guess that explains the reactions).
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Yes but if it is inspected some upgrades maybe required, for example installation of earth leakage circuit breakers but not a total rewiring. In the OP's case, I would contract your electric supply company and find out when the last inspection was, if it is due then any future problems should be identified. Explaining that you rent and have had 2 burned out sockets may bring forward the inspection date! You may annoy the owner but if a child puts a fork in a socket without a proper breakers it won't be good!

Pay to fix the socket, you can always claim it back later and ask the electrician their opinion about the state of the electrical system.
That's a very good idea. 2 burnt old sockets that are exactly burnt in the same way should be enough.
The electric supply company have surely experience with these cases.
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Re: Burnt plug socket and the landlord says that I have to pay its reparation

Every landlord has to carry out a regular inspection of the electric wiring and sockets. Not sure of the period, possibly 10 years?

We just had to do it with all our apartments - and yes it hurt. Actually nothing wrong with them but they were the old 2 pin non recessed types and the fuses were somewhat underrated. However as much as the landlord would like the tenant to pay, this is absolutely his responsibility. If there are problems and he refuses to fix it, go to the commune or fire brigade immediately.
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Old 26.06.2020, 17:37
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Every landlord has to carry out a regular inspection of the electric wiring and sockets. Not sure of the period, possibly 10 years?
20.

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Only if the installation has been renovated/expanded during the time period in which those breakers are mandatory, and in such case also only for the new parts.

An insurance might have its own opinion, but the law is incredible clear on this.
This may vary depending on the Canton. 15 years ago we renovated and rewired with an inspection, 10 years later next inspection we had to add another EL circuit breaker to comply with updated standards.
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Old 26.06.2020, 18:26
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Re: Burnt plug socket and the landlord says that I have to pay its reparation

Of course it may depend on the details, but in an ordinary case (basically the renter plugged in a factory-made plug/apliance bought in Switzerland without fiddling with the fuses or the socket) it seems very much like a safety issue.

Safety issues are the landlord's to fix. That's what the regulations and inspections are for, be that for power, fire, or whatnot: To make living in that house safe. If landlord has been informed but doesn't react they risk being liable for the damage.

OP, unless you can prove you've informed the landlord (e.g. a written response, or demand for you to get it fixed) this looks like a good time for a registered letter.
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Old 26.06.2020, 19:42
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Of course it may depend on the details, but in an ordinary case (basically the renter plugged in a factory-made plug/apliance bought in Switzerland without fiddling with the fuses or the socket) it seems very much like a safety issue.
Only if the appliance was not defective.

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Only if the appliance was not defective.

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At worst that would create a shortcut in the appliance itself. That said, a defect will simply not close the circuit, usually.
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At worst that would create a shortcut in the appliance itself. That said, a defect will simply not close the circuit, usually.
Appliances are often not the weakest link in the chain and thus not the part that will burn out or shut off.
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Old 27.06.2020, 08:03
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At worst that would create a shortcut in the appliance itself. That said, a defect will simply not close the circuit, usually.
I certainly have had appliances that developed an internal short that blew the fuse and burnt the socket.

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I certainly have had appliances that developed an internal short that blew the fuse and burnt the socket.

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Everybody on here knows you're special case, Tom
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Everybody on here knows you're special case, Tom
Plenty of dodgy wiring in Tichino, loads in Basel too where many flats don't even have bathrooms, some updated to have a shower in the kitchen. Toilet being outside the flat on the common staircase, yes Switzerland in the 21st Century, probably the richest country in the world.
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Plenty of dodgy wiring in Tichino, loads in Basel too where many flats don't even have bathrooms, some updated to have a shower in the kitchen. Toilet being outside the flat on the common staircase, yes Switzerland in the 21st Century, probably the richest country in the world.
Ee. Reminds me of growing up in Yorkshire. No wonder I like the place.
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