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greenmount 29.06.2020 10:10

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Originally Posted by eyebeebe (Post 3194875)
Probably helps that we are the top floor and the neighbours below are Brazilian with 5 kids!

Yes, probably. ;)

Tom1234 29.06.2020 10:27

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Originally Posted by Mr Dog (Post 3194846)
Jeez, I wonder if some of you are so wrapped up in yourself that you are unable to show a little consideration for an elderly man who may have lived there much longer than you

Who's that then?

Not me with my elderly neighbours. When we moved kantons, our elderly Swiss neighbours from the old place have come for lunch and we still are in contact with the others.
Another one that died recently said, on the day we left, that we were lovely considerate neighbours.

However, good neighbours is a two way thing and all our elderly neighbours were pleasant too and whenever a problem may have cropped up - we talked about it, in the open, like grown-ups.

Susie-Q 29.06.2020 10:36

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Originally Posted by Mr Dog (Post 3194886)
So, no, those comments didn't put you on my list for good neighbour of the year award

I'm absolutely devastated :(

Tom1234 29.06.2020 10:39

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3194880)
We would love to get a smoker, but sadly it isn't allowed as per our lease. .

Don't worry too much - in Switzerland you can be sure that you're never too far from a smoker...

greenmount 29.06.2020 10:52

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3194880)
Wow! :) May I come over next Christmas? We would love to get a smoker, but sadly it isn't allowed as per our lease. Someday we will get that house in the middle of nowhere...

Imho you'll have to check if you can live in the middle of nowhere before taking any decision...:)
Might sound more tempting than it really is. If one lives in a good neighbourhood where people are trying their best to be considerate an apartment is not so bad either, especially the new(ish) ones which are larger and have spacious terraces or balconies. Or laundry and hobby rooms. :)

Some people I know here live in a flat but have a summer cottage or chalet somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

Susie-Q 29.06.2020 10:58

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3194903)
Some people I know here live in a flat but have a summer cottage or chalet somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

That is what we are saving for. :)

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3194901)
Don't worry too much - in Switzerland you can be sure that you're never too far from a smoker...

Ain't that the truth!

greenmount 29.06.2020 11:46

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3194901)
Don't worry too much - in Switzerland you can be sure that you're never too far from a smoker...

Tbh it didn't bother me too much years ago but some things have changed in the meantime...:) I'm still semi-indifferent to the smokers outside which I can (mostly) avoid or talk to them without any fear I might break neighbourly relationships, however, I expect my apartment not to be inundated by smoke, early mornings and late evenings on a daily basis. So if that makes me a bad neighbour, so be it. :)

omtatsat 29.06.2020 11:59

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3194867)
Well, at least you don't wake up passively smoking the (very early) first cigarette of the day. How disgusting food smell can be? I'd rather have that.

What does your wife cook, if I'm to being indiscrete? You raw vegans? She Swiss Swiss Swiss too?

Well maybe I should call it unpleasant smells. When the acrid exhaust fumes get into the nose and burn the back of the throat then very unpleasant. And she cooks for hours! And I wake up passively breathing in her cooking fumes.

And we are vegetarian and proud of it.

People who grill meat on their balconies care nothing about the feelings of the other

Cherub 29.06.2020 14:00

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"Don't worry too much - in Switzerland you can be sure that you're never too far from a smoker..."


Have to admit, I was totally shocked at the number of people smoking in the street and at outside tables when I first came here, I thought it was worse than in Scotland :eek:

st2lemans 29.06.2020 14:05

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3194903)
Some people I know here live in a flat but have a summer cottage or chalet somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

Us, for example. 4.5 km from home.

Tom

Susie-Q 29.06.2020 14:25

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Originally Posted by Cherub (Post 3194966)
"Don't worry too much - in Switzerland you can be sure that you're never too far from a smoker..."


Have to admit, I was totally shocked at the number of people smoking in the street and at outside tables when I first came here, I thought it was worse than in Scotland :eek:

Yea, it's terrible. We looked at our place in late Autumn. The other building down from us has a quiet looking cafe on the ground floor that was closed at the time of our viewing. It seemed virtually harmless. Little did I know, it is the most happening local places in town with tables directly below our windows in Summer. Our house smells like a smokey bar if we open the windows on that side - it is very frustrating, especially since I am asthmatic. I guess we could move, but I don't feel like chunking out a good portion of our savings and going through the massive effort again. What can you do? Live and let live, do your research better next time and keep looking for a weekend hut in the country. :)

Cherub 29.06.2020 15:34

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Luckily the only time we have problems with smoking is if someone walks past out from windows on the street side which is just above street level, it briefly wafts in.

Unfortunately at the moment the residents on the corner of the building including us have to close the windows at 4pm. We have allotments nearby and someone is lighting a huge firepit type bbq every afternoon, it's burning wood chips so smells a lot, reminds me of people smoking fish in sheds back in Scotland. Apparently we can't complain as it's outdoors, but the affected flats are getting a bit fed up. The girl next door to me has to come in from her balcony and close it up as soon as it gets going and I've taken to burning lavender tea lights every evening. We're the only flat in the building with no balcony because of the building design.

greenmount 29.06.2020 17:29

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3194976)
Our house smells like a smokey bar if we open the windows on that side - it is very frustrating, especially since I am asthmatic. I guess we could move, but I don't feel like chunking out a good portion of our savings and going through the massive effort again. What can you do? Live and let live, do your research better next time and keep looking for a weekend hut in the country. :)

Exactly, you can't just move unless you're ready to part with a bigger chunk from your budget...fingers crossed for the weekend hut of your dreams, Susie!

Kittster 29.06.2020 18:39

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Originally Posted by Cherub (Post 3195008)
Luckily the only time we have problems with smoking is if someone walks past out from windows on the street side which is just above street level, it briefly wafts in.

Unfortunately at the moment the residents on the corner of the building including us have to close the windows at 4pm. We have allotments nearby and someone is lighting a huge firepit type bbq every afternoon, it's burning wood chips so smells a lot, reminds me of people smoking fish in sheds back in Scotland. Apparently we can't complain as it's outdoors, but the affected flats are getting a bit fed up. The girl next door to me has to come in from her balcony and close it up as soon as it gets going and I've taken to burning lavender tea lights every evening. We're the only flat in the building with no balcony because of the building design.

Actually, you are not allowed to produce excessive smoke and any fire that is still smoking 15 minutes after it has been lit needs to be put out as it is considered a smouldering fire. At least those are the regulations in canton Zurich, it is entirely possible that Basel has a different view.

Cherub 29.06.2020 18:47

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As far as we're aware because it's on a small plot of 7 or 8 Freizeitgarten we can't complain about it here. The people who rent them can pretty much do as they like and if there is running water on site they can stay overnight or on weekends.

st2lemans 29.06.2020 19:02

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3195069)
Actually, you are not allowed to produce excessive smoke and any fire that is still smoking 15 minutes after it has been lit needs to be put out as it is considered a smouldering fire.

How does that work for wood stoves? :confused:

Ours certainly produces smoke the whole time, same with the grill.

Tom

Kittster 29.06.2020 20:18

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3195078)
How does that work for wood stoves? :confused:

Ours certainly produces smoke the whole time, same with the grill.

Tom

This is not about you and your wood stove or your motorbikes or your wife or your way of cooking or really anything related to the incredibly unique human you believe yourself to be but really aren't. It is patently clear that I am talking about the fire described in this particular situation and you have just earned a shared place on my ignore list together with omtatswat or whatever the heck he is called.

omtatsat 29.06.2020 20:43

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3195103)
This is not about you and your wood stove or your motorbikes or your wife or your way of cooking or really anything related to the incredibly unique human you believe yourself to be but really aren't. It is patently clear that I am talking about the fire described in this particular situation and you have just earned a shared place on my ignore list together with omtatswat or whatever the heck he is called.

welcome to the club stgentelman

Urs Max 29.06.2020 22:08

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3195078)
How does that work for wood stoves? :confused:

Ours certainly produces smoke the whole time, same with the grill.

Tom

I would expect a wood stove to have a chimney that ends above the roof, that should leave balconies unaffected.

BBQs have no chimney. Those of fireplaces, if they have one, usually aren't high enough to make a difference to the surroundings.

Yes you need to limit your smoke production, especially on balconies. Lack of smoke is one reason why gas grills are almost exclusively used on balconies, convenience the other. I've started to use a smokeless coal bbq, going back from gas grill, with very satisfying results.

Susie-Q 29.06.2020 23:03

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We use gas, our lease states we arenít allowed to use charcoal. Fine but me, much easier even though I miss the charcoal taste. :)


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