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Shoes outside the apartment?

For years I've lived in my tiny apartment, keeping my shoes and trainers inside. But whenever I visit a Swiss person at their apartment (admittedly infrequently), they put their shoes out in the hall.

Whenever I take the stairs in my own apartment block I always see my neighbour's shoes, sometimes even littering the staircase.

My apartment is not on the stairs at all. It's down a hallway, which is quite wide. Anyway, last month when visiting Ikea, I picked up a shoe rack and placed it outside my apartment with a few pairs of shoes. Today I get an email saying this is not allowed and I have to remove them all immediately. What gives??
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Old 01.07.2020, 13:29
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

When I was footloose and fancy free, and had a roommate, we used this as a signal. Privacy requested!
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Old 01.07.2020, 13:37
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

Every building has different rules. Each building I have lived in, we were able to keep our shoes outside as long as they were not in the way. Every apartment in my building currently does this as none of us have entryways inside our homes. We have ours on a nice rack and nobody has complained.

Does your new shelf hinder your neighbors ability to walk through the hall?
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

It may be the shoe rack that is the problem, rather than the shoes.
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Old 01.07.2020, 14:05
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

Normally one is not allowed to place one's furniture in communal areas. Common sense really, but fire regulations may also play a part.

Some buildings have explicit rules about leaving shoes in communal areas too. But there is no universal standard or federal law about it

You can ask around, and complain about your neighbours if they are breaking the house rules. Someone probably complained about your rack, so just return the favour...
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For years I've lived in my tiny apartment, keeping my shoes and trainers inside. But whenever I visit a Swiss person at their apartment (admittedly infrequently), they put their shoes out in the hall.

Whenever I take the stairs in my own apartment block I always see my neighbour's shoes, sometimes even littering the staircase.

My apartment is not on the stairs at all. It's down a hallway, which is quite wide. Anyway, last month when visiting Ikea, I picked up a shoe rack and placed it outside my apartment with a few pairs of shoes. Today I get an email saying this is not allowed and I have to remove them all immediately. What gives??

Fire regulations. Nothing is allowed on stairways and staircases. Occasionally the authorities make checks. It's amazing how tidy underground garages suddenly look after such a visit. Happens rarely but it does. The landlord is responsible.
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Old 01.07.2020, 14:57
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Fire regulations. Nothing is allowed on stairways and staircases. Occasionally the authorities make checks. It's amazing how tidy underground garages suddenly look after such a visit. Happens rarely but it does. The landlord is responsible.
Yep. You beat me to it.

OP, it's the furniture you bought. Not allowed a) in the way for fleeing people (even if it is "only" you) and b) inflammable = producing extra smoke/impediment in case of fire.

Had you just left your shoes outside the door, nobody would have taken note.
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

Yes, fire regulations. And rightly so.

It's worth considering for a moment what would happen if there were a serious fire in your building, and having a look at all the possible exits, including windows, and how you would leave your own home, and all the neighbours theirs, in a hurry, amidst smoke and flames.

And then, imagine you needed (or a fireman needed) to be carrying another adult at the time. Doing so can obscure one's view of the floor. Not a moment to be lost tripping over any object at all: no shoerack, no shoes, no umbrella, no potplant, no decoration, no trashbag nor bundle of recycling paper, lying on the floor, in any of the passageways.
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Yes, fire regulations. And rightly so.

It's worth considering for a moment what would happen if there were a serious fire in your building, and having a look at all the possible exits, including windows, and how you would leave your own home, and all the neighbours theirs, in a hurry, amidst smoke and flames.

And then, imagine you needed (or a fireman needed) to be carrying another adult at the time. Doing so can obscure one's view of the floor. Not a moment to be lost tripping over any object at all: no shoerack, no shoes, no umbrella, no potplant, no decoration, no trashbag nor bundle of recycling paper, lying on the floor, in any of the passageways.
Well I,m not sure about that....

Section 3 clause 2A in the fire regulatins clearly state:
Swiss citizens are exempt from the above clause, all the rest of you dirty foreigners regardless of permit or nationality, keep your stinking shoes and stuff inside!
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

You jest! Fair enough.

But one serious fire can convince one, for life. Ask any fireman. Ask anyone who's been in or near such a very serious fire, where seconds meant life or death.
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Re: Shoes outside the apartment?

1. sometimes when we plan new buildings the investor demands putting cupboards for shoes in front of apartment doors.
2. fire regulations:
I don't remember any rule that would be against storing non hazardous goods in common areas except:
- if you block the escape route, which means, it has to stay in planned width, let's say usually 1.2 m in residential buildings
- if the corridor is already part of "fire safe zone", this is when the escape route is too long
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Well I,m not sure about that....

Section 3 clause 2A in the fire regulatins clearly state:
Swiss citizens are exempt from the above clause, all the rest of you dirty foreigners regardless of permit or nationality, keep your stinking shoes and stuff inside!
You got that totally wrong. It says as long as you don't have a Swiss passport, don't waste money on being tidier than the Swiss.
The other reason is, landlords want to KNOW who's shoes are the smelly ones.
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