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Mold stain on the floor, replace before handover?

Hi everyone,

I rented a 70-year-old apartment in Zurich and I'm returning the apartment end of this month. One of the rooms has linoleum floor which was 70-year-old and cracked when I got the apartment but was clean. When I removed the furniture from above it, I see the floor has black spots possibly from mold. I tried to remove them with some mold-removing agents, but not with desirable effect.

At this point, should I ask the rental agency to check the status and add a layer above this floor (which was done for all other rooms)? Or I should ask for permission to do it myself (which should be no more than 500fr given the room size)? Otherwise, if I hand it over like this, how much should I expect to pay, given the bad condition when I received it?

Thank you so much in advance!

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Re: Mold stain on the floor, replace before handover?

Can you post a photo?

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A 70yr old floor should be way past it's expected lifetime meaning the landlord will have to sort it out himself.
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Can you post a photo?
Yes. I think we are able to clean the wooden layer, but not the floor.
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A 70yr old floor should be way past it's expected lifetime meaning the landlord will have to sort it out himself.
Then during the handover, if they determine that there's damage to the floor and they have to repair. My signature on that form will mean some responsibility for paying the cost (even partially)? Because then it means the deposit won't be returned.
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Then during the handover, if they determine that there's damage to the floor and they have to repair. My signature on that form will mean some responsibility for paying the cost (even partially)? Because then it means the deposit won't be returned.
Simple solution:

Don't sign a form in which you agree to pay along for the floor.

You are only liable for damage when all 3 conditions are met:

- The damage is not normal wear and tear
- The damage is caused due to your behaviour
- The item has not yet exceeded it's expected lifespan.
(and you are only liable to pay for any remaining years of the lifespan)

I am not going to look up the exact lifespan of your floor, since I am 100% certain that 70 years is way beyond the expected lifespan of a linoleum floor.

So only your problem if you make it your problem.
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Hi everyone,

I rented a 70-year-old apartment in Zurich and I'm returning the apartment end of this month. One of the rooms has linoleum floor which was 70-year-old and cracked when I got the apartment but was clean. When I removed the furniture from above it, I see the floor has black spots possibly from mold. I tried to remove them with some mold-removing agents, but not with desirable effect.

At this point, should I ask the rental agency to check the status and add a layer above this floor (which was done for all other rooms)? Or I should ask for permission to do it myself (which should be no more than 500fr given the room size)? Otherwise, if I hand it over like this, how much should I expect to pay, given the bad condition when I received it?

Thank you so much in advance!
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Yes. I think we are able to clean the wooden layer, but not the floor.
Is that a shadow, or is the floor simply discolored? Otherwise it looks damp to me, which might be your problem.
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Is that a shadow, or is the floor simply discolored? Otherwise it looks damp to me, which might be your problem.
ah, the lighter part is just covered with dust. The corner color is the correct color of the floor.
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Re: Mold stain on the floor, replace before handover?

We had some mold spots on one of our walls in our old apartment, and the landlord repaired it at their cost. That was after we had already been living there for a year or two.

Here is an article on the mieterverband.ch website that talks about what is and isn't a renter's responsibility when it comes to mold issues:

https://www.googleadservices.com/pag...BAgOEAE&adurl=

Sorry, I see that the link didn't come through (won't paste for some reason), but you would find the .pdf if you do a google search for "mieterverband schimmel mieterwohnung"
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Is that a shadow, or is the floor simply discolored? Otherwise it looks damp to me, which might be your problem.

Looks like damp to me also, looking at the skirting and the walls.
OP, what is this room and what were you using it for? Is it ground floor?


Do you have liability insurance?
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Hi everyone,

I rented a 70-year-old apartment in Zurich and I'm returning the apartment end of this month. One of the rooms has linoleum floor which was 70-year-old and cracked when I got the apartment but was clean. When I removed the furniture from above it, I see the floor has black spots possibly from mold. I tried to remove them with some mold-removing agents, but not with desirable effect.

At this point, should I ask the rental agency to check the status and add a layer above this floor (which was done for all other rooms)? Or I should ask for permission to do it myself (which should be no more than 500fr given the room size)? Otherwise, if I hand it over like this, how much should I expect to pay, given the bad condition when I received it?

Thank you so much in advance!
Have you taken the skirting boards away to see how the wall looks? It looks bad. Mould is really a health hazard
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How long have you lived there?
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2 years
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Re: Mold stain on the floor, replace before handover?

Yea it’s the first floor. That corner was Standing a wardrobe. Yes I have personal liability insurance but not Hausrat. I don’t know if this belongs to it.
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Then it's your responsibility. The point is not how old something is but the shape it is in when you take it over. The only difference the age makes, it looses value = the price/part of the new thing you have to pay drops.

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Yea itís the first floor. That corner was Standing a wardrobe. Yes I have personal liability insurance but not Hausrat. I donít know if this belongs to it.
In this case liability insurance would pay.
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Have you taken the skirting boards away to see how the wall looks? It looks bad. Mould is really a health hazard
I don't know how to take it away. It seems glued to the wall. Do you recommend special tools?
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Then it's your responsibility. The point is not how old something is but the shape it is in when you take it over. The only difference the age makes, it looses value = the price/part of the new thing you have to pay drops.


In this case liability insurance would pay.
Thank you for your advice! Do you have a reference of how the cost on the tenant is evaluated (with depreciation taken into account)? That mean I pay first and send the bill to the insurance? I never have claimed with the liability insurance.

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Thank you for your advice! Do you have a reference of how the cost on the tenant is evaluated (with depreciation taken into account)? That mean I pay first and send the bill to the insurance? I never have claimed with the liability insurance.
There's info here (German).
page 2ff.

If the linoleum floor indeed is 70 years old (which I take was a wild guess of yours and to make us feel really sorry ), you should be fine.
If it's antique though

I only had one case and I informed my insurance and gave my insurance-contacts to the landlord. (I did send the insurance a picture of the stain, putting a tape measure next to the stain, when I found out the landlord wanted to replace a lot more wood than damaged after I had lived there for 16 years!).
The insurances sort out these disputes so much better than we ever could.

Don't start ripping skirting boards off the wall or do other funny stuff that may cause more damage. And don't worry too much about it either - it's done and you got insurance. Worse things happen at sea.
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I don't know how to take it away. It seems glued to the wall. Do you recommend special tools?
From your pictures there are screws holding it in place. Remove them
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