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Kitchen installation advice needed

We need to replace our kitchen cupboards (that are very old) but not the electric appliances (those are quite new). In order words, we'd like to keep our fridge, dish washer and cooktop/oven but install new cupboards. We asked a couple of local carpenters and the price they quoted to replace the cupboards was much higher than the average price of a brand new kitchen (with all the electric appliances).
Was anyone in a similar situation? I think in German it's called "Einbauküchen ohne E-Geräte". Can anyone recommend us which stores or providers replace kitchen cupboards for a reasonable price? Any advice would be really appreciated.
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Old 09.08.2020, 15:49
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Re: Kitchen installation advice needed

What's the price like if you source the cupboards yourself, and just get a fitter to do the work? (I'd get a specialist fitter, rather than a general carpenter).
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We need to replace our kitchen cupboards (that are very old) but not the electric appliances (those are quite new). In order words, we'd like to keep our fridge, dish washer and cooktop/oven but install new cupboards. We asked a couple of local carpenters and the price they quoted to replace the cupboards was much higher than the average price of a brand new kitchen (with all the electric appliances).
Was anyone in a similar situation? I think in German it's called "Einbauküchen ohne E-Geräte". Can anyone recommend us which stores or providers replace kitchen cupboards for a reasonable price? Any advice would be really appreciated.
First off, you need to recognise that the cheap 'complete kitchens' that you see advertised are usually total crap, as are the appliances they include. If it's cheap, it's cheap for a reason.

Secondly, asking a carpenter to quote for this is a bit like asking Michaelangelo to whitewash your walls. Sure, he can do it, but in all likelihood they'll be assuming fully bespoke one-off units, which will indeed cost many times more than a ready-made kitchen unit.

Thirdly, and possibly most importantly, do you really need to replace everything, or is it just the doors that are a little tired? Replacing or even just painting the doors is a simple job that even the most inexperienced screwdriver-wielder can do, at very little cost.

In your search for complete kitchens I sympathise - we spent weeks trying to find one that would fit the unusual shaped and sized space we in one of our apartments. In the end I realised that they would be a completely false economy, being much more difficult to fit than, so instead opting for, Ikea units throughout. We sourced most of the new appliances on Anibis, so ended up with the whole thing for well under 3000chf.

The end product, with which I'm very pleased, can be seen on our website here

Some more info and other useful suggestions on previous thread here.
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Re: Kitchen installation advice needed

I'd go for IKEA units too. I've had a new kitchen from IKEA installed. I put all the carcasses and drawers together myself (easier than one might think) and had a kitchen fitter who fitted the units to the wall and installed the appliances. I've opted for all-drawer units, and that's proved to be such a good choice. I always hated cupboards with shelves. You can't ever find stuff at the back. I reckon I also managed to get more stuff into the drawers, no space is wasted and everything is easy to find. I don't have any wall units.

A note of caution though - IKEA units are 60cm wide (European norm), but your appliances may be 55cm wide (Swiss norm). It would probably still be cheaper to go with IKEA and buy new appliances (not necessarily from IKEA), and sell your old appliances on tutti or anibis. I bought all mine from Germany.
Lastly, I had the kitchen fitted 10cm away from the wall which pleased the plumber no end. It means that my work surface is 70cm deep rather than the normal 60. It looks great and that extra 10cm space is really useful. It also means that no appliances stick out at the front. It wasn't a problem to get IKEA to manufacture it to the exact size.

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I've opted for all-drawer units, and that's proved to be such a good choice. I always hated cupboards with shelves. You can't ever find stuff at the back. I reckon I also managed to get more stuff into the drawers, no space is wasted and everything is easy to find.
Absolutely. I've previously posted about how flexible they (the Ikea units) are as well, with lots of options for different sized drawers etc. We effectively liberated about an extra 30% of usable space by putting very low drawers in for things like the knife and fork tray and kitchen utensils. It seems that you really can fit twice as much into two drawers than into one drawer twice the height.

Edit: Oh, and FWIW most DIY shops will cut work surfaces to your preferred dimensions, and we found a much better selection, to our taste at least, at Jumbo and Hornbach than those offered by Ikea.
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Oh, and FWIW most DIY shops will cut work surfaces to your preferred dimensions, and we found a much better selection, to our taste at least, at Jumbo and Hornbach than those offered by Ikea.
Mine is IKEA, white reconstituted stone, with built-in sink. I'm very happy with it. The only thing was that early on the sink got quite stained. I think any moisture on the material draws stains in. However, I then found out that the simplest and most effective solution was to add a couple of spoons of vanish powder to hot water and leaving it overnight. Good as new.
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