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Living room -> room: how to install a door

We are three students who are about to sign a contract to rent a 4-room apartment.
There are two rooms and a separate living room, which could be made into a room.


However, there is no door separating it from the hallway. There is only an empty doorframe.

How to best install a door? Can we do it without permission of landlord? Is this even something one should be able to do without paying a professional?
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

You should ask permission, I think there are some restrictions or guidelines about bedrooms vs living space vs m2 vs occupants.

I am a professional and if there is a wooden doorframe around the opening it is easy. Buy a door complete with frame (Bauhause or Hornbach) sized so the door is the same width as the opening and use white bathroom silikon to glue it into place, removing the door at the hinges will make this easier and use a couple of sticks of wood to hold it place from the opposite wall or better still clamps with a bit of cardboard underneath to protect the frames. I would put one screw in the top. It can be easily removed if you work from one corner and then repair the screw hole.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

Remember when you move out you'll have to put the place back to the way it was when you first rented it so will need to remove the door again and repair any holes, etc.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

You mention that you are signing for a 4 room appartement.
Shouldnt there be 3 bedrooms?
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Old 09.09.2020, 15:19
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

Installing a door is very easy IF you have some basic handyman skills. A little bit tricky if the door frame doesn't suit a "standard" hardware store door though. Plus there's lots of clips on YouTube to help you out as well.

Failing that, you could always get a curtain shower rail - the type that doesn't need to be screwed in, but actually unwinds so pressure is applied on the frame, and then hang a curtain for privacy?

https://www.wish.com/product/5e991cc..._BwE&share=web
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You mention that you are signing for a 4 room appartement.
Shouldnt there be 3 bedrooms?

Well, it costs and looks like a 3.5 bedroom apartment... But it says 4 officially. The previous tenants could have been a family.

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Installing a door is very easy IF you have some basic handyman skills. A little bit tricky if the door frame doesn't suit a "standard" hardware store door though. Plus there's lots of clips on YouTube to help you out as well.

Failing that, you could always get a curtain shower rail - the type that doesn't need to be screwed in, but actually unwinds so pressure is applied on the frame, and then hang a curtain for privacy?

https://www.wish.com/product/5e991cc..._BwE&share=web

Yes, I've thought about this curtain thing - but I don't know what term to search for. How is this called in English/German? What other door alternatives exist?

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Yes, I've thought about this curtain thing - but I don't know what term to search for. How is this called in English/German? What other door alternatives exist?
A shower curtain is called Duschvorhand in German.
The rail would be a Duschstange in German.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

A couple of photos would help the discussion and avoid any mis-interpretation.

Take one from each side of the opening (from the hall and from the room). Take a closeup if you think that the doorway has had a door hung in it before. You will be able to see the marks where the hinges were.

From there, people will be able to tell you which side the door should go (open in or open out). And they will be able to help with other suggestions.
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Old 09.09.2020, 17:37
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

There are also "room divider curtains" for sale on amazon.de. And probably some on ebay.ch as well (wasn't able to find any available here in CH though they probably do exist).

https://www.amazon.de/PONY-DANCE-Rau...665065&sr=8-10

For orders on amazon.de that don't ship to Switzerland, there is a place called grenzpaket (https://www.grenzpaket.ch/de/) that has locations in Germany near the border where you can pick up packages that you had delivered to them from places/sellers that don't ship to Switzerland. The cost is only about 5 euros for each package. We use it and have been very happy with them.

There are also sliding doors, such as this one:

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01N1WQSAV/...dDbGljaz10cnVl

But I guess you would have to drill into the walls to install the slider for that so it might make more sense to just install regular doors instead, depending on the size of the opening, etc.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

My last apartment had no livingroom door, just an opening into it from the hallway. I didn't like seeing the hall and front door as I had a freestanding coat rail out there. My solution was to hang a pair of silver grey string effect curtains on a tension rod so I could have them open or closed as I wanted.


OH's first place in Basel was a small studio apartment with a bathroom in the hallway. The kitchen was closed off by a recessed sliding door and the livingroom area was screened off from the sleeping area by floor to ceiling sliding door wardrobes. There was a doorway sized gap into the sleeping area, so I put a tension rod up and bought a nice shower curtain from IKEA in white wit a black circle pattern on it. I bought the type of adhesive hooks that remove easily without causing damage you get in DIY stores and used one so I could have the curtain on a tie back. It worked really well and as I had also changed all the sheer curtains in the flat and put tie backs with them the girl who was subletting it asked if she could buy them when OH left.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

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We are three students who are about to sign a contract to rent a 4-room apartment.
There are two rooms and a separate living room, which could be made into a room.
Where is the 4th room?

Tom
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

The OP doesn't seem that interested in our solutions! Another one is to put a 2x1m IKEA wardrobe in the room but in front of the door and fit a sliding door to the back instead of a back panel. #dodgyhacks
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

Or just place a paravent (Raumteiler) in the doorway - cheap, cheerful, and hey come up second hand regularly on anibis.ch and ricardo.ch if you don't want to buy new like this: https://de.vidaxl.ch/e/8718475621782...iABEgJ6KvD_BwE
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The OP doesn't seem that interested in our solutions! Another one is to put a 2x1m IKEA wardrobe in the room but in front of the door and fit a sliding door to the back instead of a back panel. #dodgyhacks
You can call it the Narnia solution.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

Sorry people! I will get back to this thread once we sign the contract, so I'm allowed to share pictures of the apartment.
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We are three students who are about to sign a contract to rent a 4-room apartment.
There are two rooms and a separate living room, which could be made into a room.
Hopefully you are not students of architecture...
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

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Where is the 4th room?

Tom
Some cantons count the kitchen as a room... so two bedrooms, one living-room, plus the kitchen would be four.
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Re: Living room -> room: how to install a door

Iím assuming this is a two bedroom, one living room and a separate kitchen apartment. Perhaps the landlord still has the door in storage and would be willing to give it to you to use.
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Iím assuming this is a two bedroom, one living room and a separate kitchen apartment. Perhaps the landlord still has the door in storage and would be willing to give it to you to use.
Hence my request for photos so we can see if a door has been hung previously. If so we should be able to see the 3 notched areas where the hinges were. It will then open the question about the location of the "missing" door.

In Vaud if the kitchen is large enough for a table for eating (and normally closed in) they often will count it as a room.
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