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fatmanfilms 12.10.2020 11:21

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3225660)
This mountain goat hut search is proving to be very challenging! Every decent place falls under one or other hazard zone! For example a popular town is fully covered by the following hazard warning-

Gefahrenhinweiskarte spontane rutschung (Hazard warning card for spontaneous landslides)

Thousands of people live there, do people just ignore the dangers and buy anyway and hope for the best :confused:

Well the danger is in the fall line of the steepest areas, probably nothing built there because of avalanche risk. If there are lots of old trees then it's not a regular occurrence. The Swiss are generally quite strict on where they let you build, unless it's for sale to foreigners :D

Axa 12.10.2020 11:23

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3225660)
This mountain goat hut search is proving to be very challenging! Every decent place falls under one or other hazard zone! For example a popular town is fully covered by the following hazard warning-

Gefahrenhinweiskarte spontane rutschung (Hazard warning card for spontaneous landslides)

Thousands of people live there, do people just ignore the dangers and buy anyway and hope for the best :confused:

YES! Danger is ignored because the mountain has not killed anyone since the times of my grandpa. This sense of security is admirable, nothing special. People also rebuild after a hurricane destroys a coastal town instead of building a new town outside the risk zone.

Large landslides and snow avalanches are events that may happen every few centuries. Old towns have been abandoned after a catastrophe and people simply forgets about them. Others feel empowered after surviving the first time like this guy back on 2019




fatmanfilms 12.10.2020 11:28

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3225679)
YES! Danger is ignored because the mountain has not killed anyone since the times of my grandpa. This sense of security is admirable, nothing special. People also rebuild after a hurricane destroys a coastal town instead of building a new town outside the risk zone.

Large landslides and snow avalanches are events that may happen every few centuries. Old towns have been abandoned after a catastrophe and people simply forgets about them. Others feel empowered after surviving the first time like this guy back on 2019




20 People died in Montrock very close to the Swiss border in 1999. The buildings cant be rebuilt in the same place
https://www.chamonix.net/english/new...ntroc-chamonix

Axa 12.10.2020 11:55

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
I love hiking and climbing mountains but never forget nature wants to kill you :) Chamoson, Valais (2019). Risk maps account for this stuff



My favorite video of the event, includes loud screams, so careful with the volume

https://www.facebook.com/10000019123...2398761109810/

Talk to you later 12.10.2020 15:13

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
Hey Axa, I had already posted that video on post #20, do keep up :p

Here is one example of a village in danger. If those rocks fall, the whole village will be buried. No more new construction is allowed but people still live there :msnsick:

https://i.ibb.co/RvnfHM2/Capture-H1.jpg


Many big boulders hanging above the village. Anchoring just this one boulder cost almost 1million!

https://i.ibb.co/zGPYnZN/Capture-H2.jpg

Experts want to build a protection dam but the attitude of some in the community-

"You make an elephant out of every mosquito"
"Stones have fallen for centuries, we don't need a geologist to tell us that"


Village president-
"Last 40 years no one died but every year 2 dozen die in swimming pool accidents, should we close down all swimming pools?"

I can't make my mind if they are very stupid backward people or really smart :confused::D

EDIT- Due to permafrost thawing /climate change I think the equation is a bit more complicated and more dangerous than before and will only get worse!

Talk to you later 12.10.2020 17:56

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
Power of rocks!




Axa 12.10.2020 18:11

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3225790)
Hey Axa, I had already posted that video on post #20, do keep up :p

Here is one example of a village in danger. If those rocks fall, the whole village will be buried. No more new construction is allowed but people still live there :msnsick:

Experts want to build a protection dam but the attitude of some in the community-

"You make an elephant out of every mosquito"
"Stones have fallen for centuries, we don't need a geologist to tell us that"


Village president-
"Last 40 years no one died but every year 2 dozen die in swimming pool accidents, should we close down all swimming pools?"

I can't make my mind if they are very stupid backward people or really smart :confused::D

EDIT- Due to permafrost thawing /climate change I think the equation is a bit more complicated and more dangerous than before and will only get worse!

This thread started several days ago, don't remember the video, sorry :msntongue:

It's really interesting to compare the drownings in pools or rivers with landslides. Usually only 1 person drowns per incident. Tragedies that take over headlines are 1 person trying to rescue also drowns....so 2 dead people per incident. In contrast, a landslide in Goldau buried ~500 people back on 1806.

You're right about climate change. Ice thaws during the day, water flows into the fracture, freezes once again during the nights and we get those spectacular rockfalls.

About the villagers not worrying about the rocks hanging over their heads.....well, if a big landslide comes and the village disappears, there's nothing to worry about, they're all dead. No mourning families, no one is accountable anymore because there are no survivors. From that perspective they will never suffer the death of a loved one, everyone's gone at the same time. Nothing left but inspiration for future artists.

JackieH 12.10.2020 18:39

Re: Maintaining small house & living in the lower mountains questions
 
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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 3215850)
Be aware that "living in lower mountains" (assumed about 1200 metres) means that you will have snow on the ground from November to late April. Summers, though beautiful are short and nights can be cold - so no sitting out on balmy evenings.

A great place for a holiday, but for me not an ideal place to live...


Bliss- when you are all melting and complaining bitterly about being too hot, can't breathe - we are lovely and warm up here during the day- and then later in the evening, it cools down with a lovely breeze- and we can sleep wonderfully. No light pollution, no noise - bliss. And in winter, when you are all complaining about fog and damp, and lack of light- we are in bright sunshine, cold but dry, and sparkly. sheer bliss. Oh, and no rocks above, and no chance of flooding either.


Horse- courses.


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