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Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

Hi everyone!

Iím currently renting a 1 room apartment with no dishwasher.
I would like to get a counter top dishwasher so no complicated installation will be needed and the water just comes from tap and exits through the sink.

I would like to ask if it is necessary to ask for permission from landlord about this and if it is lawful if the landlord raises my rent because of it?
(Personally for me I think it is just an additional appliance like the fan or humidifier since there is no alteration to the apartment itself. The landlord doesnít have to know or should not interfere with the decision, also shouldnít raise the rent, but I am not so sure)

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I hope this question is in the right category. If not please move it to the right one. Thanks!
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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

as long as you leave the apartment as you found it you can do whatever you like, so no, you don't need anyones permission for a counter top dishwasher that requires no permanent fixtures or modification to the plumbing
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as long as you leave the apartment as you found it you can do whatever you like, so no, you don't need anyones permission for a counter top dishwasher that requires no permanent fixtures or modification to the plumbing
Thanks for the answer!

My landlord is kinda a troublesome and only speaks german. I once asked her via email but I guess because she thought I meant the proper dishwasher that needs plumbing, she said any cost related to it will be on me and she needs to make changes to the contract (eg on the rent which includes the water and electric bill).

Is this also lawful from her side? Just curios.
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Thanks for the answer!

My landlord is kinda a troublesome and only speaks german. I once asked her via email but I guess because she thought I meant the proper dishwasher that needs plumbing, she said any cost related to it will be on me and she needs to make changes to the contract (eg on the rent which includes the water and electric bill).

Is this also lawful from her side? Just curios.
If you aren't paying the water and electric separately, then certainly it makes sense to charge you more on the rent!

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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

You can't do *anything* you like, but you should be fine. Just make sure it never leaks.

Supposedly dishwashers use less water than handwashing and the electric wouldn't be much. You could also have an electric toaster for example and you wouldn't have to pay extra for it.
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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

We once shared a house, two flats, with another couple. We were two on the ground floor and they were two (plus a large dog)on the first floor. We had a dishwasher, they didn’t.

Our hot water was metered and after a couple of years we noticed that their hot water usage was almost 50% higher than ours.
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If you aren't paying the water and electric separately, then certainly it makes sense to charge you more on the rent!

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Well I pay for electricity but not water. Itís kinda a common knowledge that dishwasher (when used properly of course) uses less water than handwashing?
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You can't do *anything* you like, but you should be fine. Just make sure it never leaks.

Supposedly dishwashers use less water than handwashing and the electric wouldn't be much. You could also have an electric toaster for example and you wouldn't have to pay extra for it.
True! But I pay for the electricity anyway...
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We once shared a house, two flats, with another couple. We were two on the ground floor and they were two (plus a large dog)on the first floor. We had a dishwasher, they didnít.

Our hot water was metered and after a couple of years we noticed that their hot water usage was almost 50% higher than ours.
You had a build-in one?
I guess countertop ones on my needs cold water??

Anyway I also pay for the hot water (electricity) coz itís such an old building I need to switch on the boiler to reserve some hot water.

But itís still good to know so I donít get crazy electricity bills!!
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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

What I have read in the past, is that there is a risk of back contamination to the system if people use a machine that plugs onto the tap rather than in a fixed manner. Not sure if it makes any sense to those with plumbing experience.
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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

Last time I was looking for a new place to live I saw an ad with nice price and clothes washer in the flat. I arrange a visit and find out that the washing machine is shared by 3 apartments. I ask the owner if he can put a washing machine as the test and photos of the ad implied...says too expensive. Next I asked if I can install one, it's just plugging it to the wall, water in and water out, very simple, right? Owner said not possible because a bad installation can cause a lot of damage to his property and the property of other tenants.

So, the issue is not the cost of water or electricity but being liable for damaging the property of others. Careful with this. Maybe nothing happens but if by pure bad luck the electrical installation fails in the building or there's a water leak totally unrelated to the dishwasher.......fingers will point at the dishwasher and your next question will be how to get out of this trouble.
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If you aren't paying the water and electric separately, then certainly it makes sense to charge you more on the rent!

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Nope. Dishwasher, unless you get a really bad one, use less water than hand washing. And they use less electricity in their operation than you use to heat the water for hand washing.
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... a bad installation can cause a lot of damage to his property and the property of other tenants....
Oh come on. What are the chances? I've been using dishwashers and washing machines for 30 years and never had anything damaged by either.
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Oh come on. What are the chances? I've been using dishwashers and washing machines for 30 years and never had anything damaged by either.

I have and I've had water leak into my apartment from a leak in the flat above. The landlord surely doesn't want to be liable for the damage if they install one themselves.
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Re: Issue with landlord about getting a counter-top dishwasher

For those worried about leaking appliances most new appliances have aquastop valves on them.
If yours doesnít you can buy aftermarket versions. If the appliance detects a leak it shuts off the water supply.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Mie.../dp/B018E6QSPM
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What I have read in the past, is that there is a risk of back contamination to the system if people use a machine that plugs onto the tap rather than in a fixed manner. Not sure if it makes any sense to those with plumbing experience.
It makes no sense whatsoever, less risk as it's only connected when in use. I can't see how there could be any back contamination since the mains water is under fairly high pressure. A highly pressurised central heating could be an issue, hence why the connection to the water supply has to be removed. (at least in the UK)
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For those worried about leaking appliances most new appliances have aquastop valves on them.
If yours doesnít you can buy aftermarket versions. If the appliance detects a leak it shuts off the water supply.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Mie.../dp/B018E6QSPM
It needs to be plugged in to work, so never disconnect the power to a dishwasher or washing machine when not in use & particularly when on holiday.
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Oh come on. What are the chances? I've been using dishwashers and washing machines for 30 years and never had anything damaged by either.
Our washing machine leaked water but luckily it was in the basement so no damage was done.
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It needs to be plugged in to work, so never disconnect the power to a dishwasher or washing machine when not in use & particularly when on holiday.
Or simply turn off the water supply to it.

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Or simply turn off the water supply to it.

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What I find is supply taps rarely used start to drip if turned, same with main supply to flat.
I have just replaced 2 x 7 year old ones that feed toilets for this reason, never turned off the water for the dishwasher or washing machine in 7 years.
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