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Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

We lived in Fribourg house for over an year. We moved out recently. While being there I thought I have to trim the "hedge" before I leave. I was about to do it myself although after talking to the neighbour he said that's not typically required by tenants. I should check with Agency.

So I did, I've called the agency and upon them reviewing the contract they agreed. I don't have to trim the hedge.

Now, one month after us moving out they completely reverted they opinion (same person that initially told me I don't have to) and trying to charge me for the trimming. Wait, the cost is CHF 2,700!

Any feedback opinions on this? Did the person from an agency just initially lied to me so he can end up charging it to me?

This is in the contract:
L'entretien du jardin est a charge du locataire et le proprietaire se reserve le droit, en cas de non respect de cette clause d'engager un jardinier a charge du locataire
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

Well my contract says the same .. I posted recently here about same subject..

Our hedge is over 4m high and maybe 40-50m long!! I contacted a local professional gardener and he's just given me a quote for 800.- including all the clearing up etc. Taking at least 1m off the hight so i can manage it myself later.
So your bill is pretty damn high!


Who should do it.. Well my neighbours said similar to yours .. They're all long term local Swissies, they said the proprietor used to do it.. But that's another story in my case.
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

Feedback? You should have cut the hedge!

The agents said "you don't have to cut the hedge" - but someone has to.

It's like asking "do I have to clean my house/flat before moving out". The answer is you don't, but someone does - and you have to pay...
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

Garden maintenance always includes trimming of hedges.
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

Get a quote from a local gardener, then write the regie a (registered) letter explaining why you didn’t have it cut. Point out the going price from the quote and offer to pay them that.
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

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Garden maintenance always includes trimming of hedges.
This was my concern before.. Of course I agree that trimming a hedge, cutting the grass, taking out weeds etc is normal..

Is there a line to be drawn though where it should fall back to the owner.. My hedge is huge, it is not trim-able by means of any normal DIY tools.. What about other elements of the garden like my 5m high concrete wall, fences, trees that cross boundaries.. etc.
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Feedback? You should have cut the hedge!

The agents said "you don't have to cut the hedge" - but someone has to.

It's like asking "do I have to clean my house/flat before moving out". The answer is you don't, but someone does - and you have to pay...
mate. I was about to do it. I called him and specifically asked him if he "wants me" to do it. He said, it something I don't have to do and owner will cover with his cost.

So you tell me if someone tells you, leave it with me "I'll do this" you go ahead and do it anyways?
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mate. I was about to do it. I called him and specifically asked him if he "wants me" to do it. He said, it something I don't have to do and owner will cover with his cost.

So you tell me if someone tells you, leave it with me "I'll do this" you go ahead and do it anyways?
Agree, how many threads on here have we had where the instruction or advice was "don't do it" which was ignored and then complain about the repercussions?

You may have trouble if you only received the advice not to cut verbally, Swiss jobsworth are the same as anywhere else!
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

I see two mistakes from your side:

First, it looks like you communicated with some one which is not a party of the rental contract a.k.a a person which did not sign it.

Second, you had verbal communication only. In case you get an information or statements which are different from what is written get it in written form as well. Specially in case of a written contract.
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I see two mistakes from your side:

First, it looks like you communicated with some one which is not a party of the rental contract a.k.a a person which did not sign it.

Second, you had verbal communication only. In case you get an information or statements which are different from what is written get it in written form as well. Specially in case of a written contract.
Yeah, I agree re: should have had it written. Anyways, there is actually bigger issue on an owner side. They didn't communicate to me they'll do the hedge trimming which as per contract they should do prior.
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mate. I was about to do it. I called him and specifically asked him if he "wants me" to do it. He said, it something I don't have to do and owner will cover with his cost.

So you tell me if someone tells you, leave it with me "I'll do this" you go ahead and do it anyways?
Bold above is additional info not included in your first post. You're a time waster, mate...
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Bold above is additional info not included in your first post. You're a time waster, mate...
Likewise, maybe you should read it again. It was an obvious assumption you couldn't make...
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Now, one month after us moving out they completely reverted they opinion (same person that initially told me I don't have to) and trying to charge me for the trimming. Wait, the cost is CHF 2,700!
Sounds like they are charging you for a cherry picker.

What does the itemised bill say?
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

It reads like you're on the hook for the cutting because of the contract but if you can try to recall when the conversation took place, who you spoke to and establish some notes.



But CHF 2700? Even if you paid a gardener CHF 50 an hour for this unskilled job (we're not talking pruning, landscape design etc).... that's a week's work for the job plus more on top to rent cutting machinery, a van, to dispose of the waste etc. The least you can expect is an itemised bill, right down to the waste charge per KG.
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Get a quote from a local gardener, then write the regie a (registered) letter explaining why you didn’t have it cut. Point out the going price from the quote and offer to pay them that.
That's a bit dishonest - asking someone to take the time and effort to create a quote that the OP has no intention of using.

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But CHF 2700? Even if you paid a gardener CHF 50 an hour for this unskilled job (we're not talking pruning, landscape design etc).... that's a week's work for the job plus more on top to rent cutting machinery, a van, to dispose of the waste etc. The least you can expect is an itemised bill, right down to the waste charge per KG.
Not sure any of us can comment on whether the CHF 2700 is too much for the job as there is no indication from the OP as to how long, how thick and how high the hedge is.


TBH though, it sounds like the agency, and perhaps the gardener who actually trimmed the hedge are being pretty unscrupulous and one would hope for better behaviour and principles as this seems all too common here.
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But CHF 2700?
We were quoted that to take 1m off our 2.5m hedge. So we chopped it down ourselves and bought new hedge plants. Still less than the quote...

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That's a bit dishonest - asking someone to take the time and effort to create a quote that the OP has no intention of using.
Don't they usually charge for doing the quote?
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Re: Garden maintenance includes "hedge trimming"?

What kind of hedge is it? Some hedges, if not pruned regularly- will die at the bottom and never recover, like thuya. Others, if a lot has to be taken off the top and sides after a long period, will look like dead for many months, and take at least 1 year to recover. And if it has been allowed to be too high- it will need some kind of scaffold to ensure safety, which will make the cost higher.


Pruning twice a year is a big job depending on the type of hedge, height, thickness - but doing it after 1 year of neglect- can be a massive job. We are delighted we no longer have a 50m long yew hedge and a 25 m long privet one. (and yes, we did it all ourselves- twice a year.)

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IEven if you paid a gardener CHF 50 an hour for this unskilled job
Granted, we live in an area where service type work commands a premium... but around here, an 'unskilled' gardener generally does not work alone. So if you are hiring for a job that only requires unskilled work you often still have to pay the cost of a skilled gardner to work with the unskilled gardener.

Last quote I had, many years ago, billing rates were:

Unskilled gardener, CHF 75/hr
Skilled gardener, CHF175/hr.

That would likely put the 2700, assuming that includes use of equipment and travel time, at around a day's work.

Still a shockingly expensive bill.

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You can see why we do all our own garden work.

OH can buy a whole shedload of boy toys power tools, have fun channeling his inner farmer, take his work week frustrations out whatever he is cutting down, and we are still well ahead.
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Not sure any of us can comment on whether the CHF 2700 is too much for the job as there is no indication from the OP as to how long, how thick and how high the hedge is.

Yeah I'd have thought the principle of putting things back to how they were when you moved in (within reason) would apply but the issue is the OP asked if they needed to do it and the answer was no.
Anyone who thinks an answer of "no *you* don't need to do it (but someone does and we'll bill you) is being a dick, but then again, this *is* Switzerland.


It's maybe a bit like "Can I cancel my UPC contract?" - "Sure you can! (but we'll send you a bill for the remainder)
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Don't they usually charge for doing the quote?
Not always.
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