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Have you had your thyroid checked? A serious question...

Yes. It's not an ilness, just a strange sensitivity to heat, and especially sun. I have been like this my whole life. I can withstand cold temperatures really well (down to minus 10 I'll just put on a light jacket, and won't need heating), but can get heat struck easily if exposed to temperatures of 20 or above for a prolonged period. Or 30 or above for a short period.
I use to shower in the snow for fun in the winter.

On the plus side, I am unlikely to need much heating if at all in Switzerland.
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Rural house in Freienbach? Good luck.

Here's one in Einsiedeln: https://www.comparis.ch/immobilien/m.../show/24418165
Looks like a nice house, but a bit large. 3-4 rooms is enough for me.
Anyhow, I'll research properties around. I see from comments here that finding what I want in Freienbach might indeed be hard, so I might widen the search.
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The portable AC you have - I assume it's the regular unified condenser unit? I used to have long ago a portable split AC, that comes with 2 units and a flexible copper cable. But these are not sold anymore I think. It was much stronger than the unified one, and did not leak air from outsdie, as the units were separate.
It was also more energy efficient than the regular portables. A shame they stopped making them.


The portable split unit you used - is it still in sale today? Did you ever install a mounted one? Any applications or legal permits you had to get? Or do I just:
1. Agree with the landlord.
2. Find a fitting company.
3. Buy a unit.
4. Profit
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Our unit is an Enviracare 9.0, (which I think is Honeywell). It's one of the old style, with the main 'portable' (luggable by a team of oxen would be more accurate) unit inside and the compressor unit outside, cable connecting the two. It's actually very efficient to run, and while it can't cool the whole house it does enough to make a hot summer bearable.

A quick google brings up lots of e-bay type sites, so I'm guessing not made anymore. But there must be something similar - or hopefully better - on the market today.

I seem to recall a fairly recent thread on split units - I'll see if I can find it and then will add the link.

We bought the unit during that horrible heat wave of 2003, it was actually the last one left, in all the stores in the area. So little thought went into it's purchse, we just got lucky that it has proven to be so dependable all these years.

If you are renting, Step number 1 is the most important. A typical portable does not need this but if you are putting in a mounted unit you will be doing work that likely needs a landlord's agreement. Make sure you make it crystal clear that you will foot the cost, as this is where many landlords would baulk. Also find out if you have to remove the unit and replaster walls when you leave, or if the landlord would 'allow' you to leave it.

Have your relo people write this into your rental contract.

Speaking of relo help: Make sure your agent truly understands how important this is to you. This is something of a generalization, but typically in Switzerland people are serious, and I mean serious, sun and heat worshippers. Amount of sunlight is used a selling point, people seem to heat their houses to sauna temps. I know from my own experience that few here truly comprehend what it means to be unable to tolerate heat or sunlight, as this is far outside their experience.

Your agent might brush your need for cool off, might interpret it according to his or her preferences. So make sure that point is clear, and keep repeating how important this is to you.

Then make it the agent's job to find and organize what you need. That is what you are paying for. (And if organizing installations is not in a standard package with your agency, ask for a proposal to provide that service.)


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I do like green around the house in general.
Please move to Ausserschwyz - we need more green-friendlies!

All the best with the move.
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Our unit is an Enviracare 9.0, (which I think is Honeywell). It's one of the old style, with the main 'portable' (luggable by a team of oxen would be more accurate) unit inside and the compressor unit outside, cable connecting the two. It's actually very efficient to run, and while it can't cool the whole house it does enough to make a hot summer bearable.

A quick google brings up lots of e-bay type sites, so I'm guessing not made anymore. But there must be something similar - or hopefully better - on the market today.

I seem to recall a fairly recent thread on split units - I'll see if I can find it and then will add the link.

We bought the unit during that horrible heat wave of 2003, it was actually the last one left, in all the stores in the area. So little thought went into it's purchse, we just got lucky that it has proven to be so dependable all these years.

If you are renting, Step number 1 is the most important. A typical portable does not need this but if you are putting in a mounted unit you will be doing work that likely needs a landlord's agreement. Make sure you make it crystal clear that you will foot the cost, as this is where many landlords would baulk. Also find out if you have to remove the unit and replaster walls when you leave, or if the landlord would 'allow' you to leave it.

Have your relo people write this into your rental contract.

Speaking of relo help: Make sure your agent truly understands how important this is to you. This is something of a generalization, but typically in Switzerland people are serious, and I mean serious, sun and heat worshippers. Amount of sunlight is used a selling point, people seem to heat their houses to sauna temps. I know from my own experience that few here truly comprehend what it means to be unable to tolerate heat or sunlight, as this is far outside their experience.

Your agent might brush your need for cool off, might interpret it according to his or her preferences. So make sure that point is clear, and keep repeating how important this is to you.

Then make it the agent's job to find and organize what you need. That is what you are paying for. (And if organizing installations is not in a standard package with your agency, ask for a proposal to provide that service.)




Please move to Ausserschwyz - we need more green-friendlies!

All the best with the move.
Oh yeah, that's very similar to the unit I had long ago. These are great but I think they stopped making them as gas was leaking out of them often.
If I manage to get a few of these, great.

I will explain both to the agent and the landlord, thank you. I lived in London, so used to dealing with sun lovers who fail to understand that I treat the sun as a vampire would, got all the strange looks walking around with a parasol haha

And I'll consider Ausserschwyz. Looks interesting. I am just starting my search, so the net is wide.
Thanks for your help!
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Re: Split unit AC - Freienbach

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Second, look at getting one or more portable split systems from Fust (Novamatic CL 990 split) that are 15,000 btu (good for 55m2 - 146m3). The compresser can be hung out the window and the window can be easily sealed (the cable is not very thick).

This is incorrect. Portable split units have the compressor in the indoor unit so what you hang out of the window only has the noise from the fan. These Fust units are noisy inside.



Fixed split units can be installed in a similar way to the portable ones, i.e. without making them too fixed but there you do have the compressor unit outside. Whether this would get around the rules, if there are any, I would doubt. However, if you buy a place where the outside unit can be hidden or is hard to see, and have sound reducing panels around it, and maybe if you don't have onlooking neighbours you could probably get away with it.


16C coldness from a/c is "colder" than 16C ambient temperature on an autumn day and I feel sorry for you that you have such a condition where this would be comfortable to you.
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Re: Split unit AC - Freienbach

The argo ulisse is probably the best you can buy for a semi-permanent home install without going crazy on price.


We got a couple of used Stiebel Eltron ACPS units for just over 100eur each which are also good but I don't think they make them anymore. If they ever pack up then I'll be getting the Argo.
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Re: Split unit AC - Freienbach

That's actually an original idea - I could buy a non portable split unit, and mount it in a temporary fashion, sacrificing a window for this purpose.

It should be easy to hide the outside unit given the style of living and house I am looking for.

Budget is not a problem. As this is something important to me, I am willing to pay a lot. A 10K F budget or more would not deter me from getting an AC.

And no need to feel sorry. I am what I am. There are drawbacks but I find advantages as well. Winter is an amazing season for me, and I rarely need more than a light jacket even in much colder countries (the last time I wore a scarf it was minus 18). And my wife loves it, she claims that I am a portable heather (my body is very warm).
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Are monoblock units an option?

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Thanks, but no. The problem with these, as well as the other non split units, is that they actually send air out. As a result air pressure inside drops, and it will inevitably be substituted with air from outside.
Usually they are also weaker.
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Thanks, but no. The problem with these, as well as the other non split units, is that they actually send air out. As a result air pressure inside drops, and it will inevitably be substituted with air from outside.
Usually they are also weaker.
This is not true - the monoblock unit sucks air from the room, runs it over the evaporator coils and returns the now cooled air into the room. And since this a continuous process there is no pressure gradient.
The problem with a monoblock unit is the installation.
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This is not true - the monoblock unit sucks air from the room, runs it over the evaporator coils and returns the now cooled air into the room. And since this a continuous process there is no pressure gradient.
The problem with a monoblock unit is the installation.
Ah, so these are evaporation based coolers. You are right, they don't send air out. And there are portable versions of these from what I recall. The problem is that they are weak sadly.
If we look at the goal of maintaining a temperature no higher than 16-18 degrees, than on days where it is 30 or more outside they might fail.

I am more than willing to go to the trouble of paying 10K F for a proper split unit + installation + insulation, to avoid even 1-2 weeks a year of temperature that is too high for me, as I suffer a lot when it happens, and also become completely dysphunctional as I can't sleep at temperatures above 18 degrees.
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Please do not explain to me that I do not need it. I have lived in much colder climates, and my body react differently than most to heat and cold. What I am unlikely to ever need here is heating, but I absolutely must have an AC in this climate, and it needs to be strong (portable won't do).

I searched the forums and got conflicting results regarding there either being a law against AC, the former being an urban legend, de facto existance of personal AC installation sales in Zurich, and claims of regulation that requires permission from the municipality, or other apartments in a building, to install one.

This is all quite confusing unfortunately.
Does anyone have personal experience actually installing private house AC in Switzerland? Does anyone know what is the process to do so in Zurich area or Freienbach specifically?
If I go for a house, rather than an apartment, is it easier (as then I don't need consent from other apartments in the building)?.



Apologies, I have been on holiday and had not seen this thread. Some of us are hugely and over (perhaps) sensitive to noise, especially electronic/artificial noise - so it depends on the noise issue and location. If someone installed a noisy AC unit (and my idea of noisy may be very different to yours), especially in a rural location- I'd oppose it. If your neighbours are not sensitive, they may not. We all have our own sensibilities that sometimes conflict. Fact is, it is not the norm for people to have AC units in mountainous rural areas in Switzerland- and people here like to sleep with windows opened. So just depends- think carefully about noise and location/noise direction. We have cow bells, tractors, foxes, cockerels - AC noise, no.
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Apologies, I have been on holiday and had not seen this thread. Some of us are hugely and over (perhaps) sensitive to noise, especially electronic/artificial noise - so it depends on the noise issue and location. If someone installed a noisy AC unit (and my idea of noisy may be very different to yours), especially in a rural location- I'd oppose it. If your neighbours are not sensitive, they may not. We all have our own sensibilities that sometimes conflict. Fact is, it is not the norm for people to have AC units in mountainous rural areas in Switzerland- and people here like to sleep with windows opened. So just depends- think carefully about noise and location/noise direction. We have cow bells, tractors, foxes, cockerels - AC noise, no.
Oh, this is a surprise revival.
Anyhow, thank you. I plan to sound insulate the external unit. In a rural setting I should have plenty of space to do this.

P.S. Tractors are an artificial noise, and not unsimilar to that of an AC as compared to a cow
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In the eyes of the beholder- or rather the ears. Very different sensibilities and cultures and what is locally considered 'the norm'. Townies who come to live in the mountains/rural regions, or get holiday homes and start complaining about tractors, cow bells, muck spreading smells, roosters are dawn - get VERY short shrift here and told to go back to town, police sirens and AC units. Honest


You are obviously not from Cheshire UK, or you'd know that, lol.
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In the eyes of the beholder- or rather the ears. Very different sensibilities and cultures and what is locally considered 'the norm'. Townies who come to live in the mountains/rural regions, or get holiday homes and start complaining about tractors, cow bells, muck spreading smells, roosters are dawn - get VERY short shrift here and told to go back to town, police sirens and AC units. Honest


You are obviously not from Cheshire UK, or you'd know that, lol.
Haha, well I actually enjoy cow noises etc more than the police sirens, or worse, schools (once lived next door to a school, never again. The amount of noise they generate is in a different league).
And I lived near roosters at dawn before, which was mostly funny as the rooster in question was schizo I think, and tended to call out at 03:00 sometimes.
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