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Maybe not the landlord, but please be aware that certain places, i. e. Canton or City now restrict or otherwise may prohibit the use of or installation of air conditioning. For example, Geneva apparently had strict rules and all comfort a/c require an authorisation. Apparently something similar is also in the works for VD as it relates to energy consumption. Read the requirements carefully as to how they apply to your area. Here are Geneva rules for example.
https://www.ge.ch/rafraichir-climati...sation-confort
That is for installations, NOT for portable units.

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Re: Can a landlord forbid portable split AC?

Which is funny btw, as installations can be more energy efficient than portable.
Inverted units for example can beat even the portable sinlge unit that most people use both in energy effeciency and in minimising heat pollution.
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Re: Can a landlord forbid portable split AC?

I wonder if they ban AC how will they be checking compliance? Will there be a home inspection similar to one they have for Cold War bomb shelters?
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I wonder if they ban AC how will they be checking compliance? Will there be a home inspection similar to one they have for Cold War bomb shelters?
What inspection for bomb shelters? Been here 20+ years and no one's ever wanted to check that we even had a shelter.
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Which is funny btw, as installations can be more energy efficient than portable.
Inverted units for example can beat even the portable sinlge unit that most people use both in energy effeciency and in minimising heat pollution.
It's not so hard to figure out, is it? AC installations are noisy, ugly, and often suck a lot of energy. A country like Switzerland with a relatively cool climate, where the majority of people live in rented apartments, doesn't want or need AC installations. A portable air conditioner that is sued for short periods and keeps the noise in the apartment makes the most sense.
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What inspection for bomb shelters? Been here 20+ years and no one's ever wanted to check that we even had a shelter.
If your home has/had a bomb shelter, the government can send an inspector to check if you have removed the Iron Lung machine or converted it to Sauna - very expensive violation....
If you have a newer home , you are not subject to inspections, but will surely be the first victim of Commie bombardment.
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If your home has/had a bomb shelter, the government can send an inspector to check if you have removed the Iron Lung machine or converted it to Sauna - very expensive violation....
If you have a newer home , you are not subject to inspections, but will surely be the first victim of Commie bombardment.
Well that explains why I got to see a few apartments with a sauna in them. Which I do not think I ever saw in London or in another country, where the first additions of the spa variety were usually jaquzzi or a pool.
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If your home has/had a bomb shelter, the government can send an inspector to check if you have removed the Iron Lung machine or converted it to Sauna - very expensive violation....
If you have a newer home , you are not subject to inspections, but will surely be the first victim of Commie bombardment.
1950. Have a cave, but I doubt that's it. Otherwise, it's a hole in the ground under the house accessed from a small shed under our outside staircase and down a ladder. Not sure that's something I want to try at my age.
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What inspection for bomb shelters? Been here 20+ years and no one's ever wanted to check that we even had a shelter.
In Kt Zurich they come and inspect it every 10 years.
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Re: Can a landlord forbid portable split AC?

We can argue the pros and cons till we go blue in the face, but yes, the landlord can object and refuse.
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We can argue the pros and cons till we go blue in the face, but yes, the landlord can object and refuse.
Best not to ask permission then, same as when installing a washing machine
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Re: Can a landlord forbid portable split AC?

Soon be found out when neighbours complain about the noise and vibrations - and the electricity consumption if they share the bill
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Re: Can a landlord forbid portable split AC?

CheshireCat, within a 'normal' price range, this is perhaps the kind of place to look for - a terraced flat. The design of these types of buildings usually gives more privacy:
https://www.newhome.ch/de/mieten/imm...=1&skipCount=0

You'd put the fan/condenser (whatever the exterior thingy is) outside on the terrace. No one is likely to see or hear it. Buy a second door to cut access for the cable, replace the original door when you leave.

The listing above is Pfäffikon SZ, in your target tax range.

Alternatively, a bit pricier, a single family home in Baar ZG:
https://www.homegate.ch/mieten/3000518100

This was mentioned on another of your threads, but bears emphasizing - look in Zug. Only a minuscule tax increase at most income levels, and sometimes better for the top ranges. Zug tends to be far more foreigner friendly - and attitudes often a bit more laissez-faire.

And - get your relocation people on this. Make it their job to find a place that meets your needs, including getting permission and getting the AC installation done. Locally connected relo people could get this done where you, a newcomer, might not be able to.

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To all reading this thread - the OP has said in other threads that he has a condition where he simply cannot tolerate heat. Most people here probably don't really understand what this means, and so dismiss his need for AC as unnecessary. Look at it this way: Imagine if you were not allowed to heat your home at all. Would you be able to live like that through the winter? That's the level of discomfort - heck, unliveability - when one has a serious heat intolerance.
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Soon be found out when neighbours complain about the noise and vibrations - and the electricity consumption if they share the bill
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We can argue the pros and cons till we go blue in the face, but yes, the landlord can object and refuse.
Well, they can object ahead of time, this is what happened. The question is - if I keep my mouth shut, and just use one, can they stop me (after I am already renting). It seems their only recorse is serving notice (if they even notice it), as it's not a modification, and I am confident in my ability to avoid generation of noise. The places I am looking at have space to put the external unit in a private setting.

I do not plan to share electricity with anyone, this won't be fair to whoever is sharing with me even regardless of AC, I tend to be a high energy consumer as I work from home and operate multiple strong computers, etc. I pay my own electric bill.


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CheshireCat, within a 'normal' price range, this is perhaps the kind of place to look for - a terraced flat. The design of these types of buildings usually gives more privacy:
https://www.newhome.ch/de/mieten/imm...=1&skipCount=0

You'd put the fan/condenser (whatever the exterior thingy is) outside on the terrace. No one is likely to see or hear it. Buy a second door to cut access for the cable, replace the original door when you leave.

The listing above is Pfäffikon SZ, in your target tax range.

Alternatively, a bit pricier, a single family home in Baar ZG:
https://www.homegate.ch/mieten/3000518100

This was mentioned on another of your threads, but bears emphasizing - look in Zug. Only a minuscule tax increase at most income levels, and sometimes better for the top ranges. Zug tends to be far more foreigner friendly - and attitudes often a bit more laissez-faire.

And - get your relocation people on this. Make it their job to find a place that meets your needs, including getting permission and getting the AC installation done. Locally connected relo people could get this done where you, a newcomer, might not be able to.

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To all reading this thread - the OP has said in other threads that he has a condition where he simply cannot tolerate heat. Most people here probably don't really understand what this means, and so dismiss his need for AC as unnecessary. Look at it this way: Imagine if you were not allowed to heat your home at all. Would you be able to live like that through the winter? That's the level of discomfort - heck, unliveability - when one has a serious heat intolerance.
Thank you meloncollie.
You are correct in terms of my preferences. If I had to choose between heating or cooling, I would choose to have no heating at all, rather than no cooling. It's a good analogy to explain this to other people, I might use this, thanks.
I actually saw the first place you linked, and it's great, but they rejected my application due to my desire to use a portable AC. This latest rejection was actually the one that prompted the start of this thread
The place is Zug looks great, but given I will pay quite a substantial tax increase there, in addition to being much more expensive, I currently treat Zug as a backup option.
I haven't given hope on Hofe just yet
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I do not plan to share electricity with anyone, this won't be fair to whoever is sharing with me even regardless of AC, I tend to be a high energy consumer as I work from home and operate multiple strong computers, etc. I pay my own electric bill.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in apartment blocks. Bills for heating, electricity, etc, are shared equally between all residents no matter how much or little an individual apartment may use. At least that's my understanding.
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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in apartment blocks. Bills for heating, electricity, etc, are shared equally between all residents no matter how much or little an individual apartment may use. At least that's my understanding.
I dunno, the ones I was viewing explicitely had options for water and gas being part of the bill, but said that I pay electricity individualy, via a personal contract with the supplier. I am looking more at terrace houses, and a bit more separate apartments I guess. I would not feel comfortable sharing electricity as I know it's unfair.
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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in apartment blocks. Bills for heating, electricity, etc, are shared equally between all residents no matter how much or little an individual apartment may use. At least that's my understanding.

wut? or rather, my understanding is different.
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wut? or rather, my understanding is different.
Mine too. Ours is based on sq m and occupants. We certainly don't pay as much as the family with two kids in the larger flat, why should we?
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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in apartment blocks. Bills for heating, electricity, etc, are shared equally between all residents no matter how much or little an individual apartment may use. At least that's my understanding.
I have my own contract for the electricity and this is how it usually is as far as I know.

Heating is shared according to apartment size.

I'd have to check about water use but that's usually not a lot of money regardless.
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