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New Appliances for old Kitchen

Have just bought a new house but a full Kitchen refit does not fit into the budget, however we would like to replace the appliances and live with the current kitchen cabinets.

Any recommendations for companies who sell kitchen appliances who will come and look the current appliances and advise you what you can replace them with. Have measured the appliances for width etc but still wary about buying online as want the new appliances to fit seemlessly into the current kitchen
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Have just bought a new house but a full Kitchen refit does not fit into the budget, however we would like to replace the appliances and live with the current kitchen cabinets.

Any recommendations for companies who sell kitchen appliances who will come and look the current appliances and advise you what you can replace them with. Have measured the appliances for width etc but still wary about buying online as want the new appliances to fit seemlessly into the current kitchen
Personally, I'd try and get some sort of handyman to do it. It's not difficult - they can download measurements for most existing and for new appliances online to get a match and then you can order the new items online and get them to fit them or fit them yourselves.

If you get a kitchen company to do it, they'll probably want to order the appliances for you which means you could pay twice as much for them.

Alternatively, a company like Fust sells and fits kitchens and sells appliances separately so they could probably help at some cost to you.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

If you are on budget, then someone coming and helping you with appliances is not going to work. I am in a similar process where I purchased a house and everything which involves a person helping is going to cost between 60-120 CHF per hour



You just need to measure and visit the shops. Start with Ikea - Fust - Livique - Pfister. The prices will wary so you can mix and match. It can be slightly tiring but the difference in terms of money would be huge. Taking couple of days of holidays and visiting these places on working days would be very helpful.


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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

because it is new to them, perhaps?


When we moved to this 16C pile here, it was our new house, as compared to the old one (1920s)
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

I think you perhaps overestimate how difficult it would be do DIY. Fundamentally, kitchen units are made in standard sizes, and as long as you get the correct width, especially given that Swiss 'standards' include 50, 55 and 60cm units, you can pretty much guarantee that it will fit.

Care must be taken, though, with fridges, some of which may have been designed to fit as part of the cupboard door hinge, so there may be additional work if you want a built-in one that's not the same make or type as the original.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

When we renovated two and a half years ago, we used Schwegler Küchenbau for the work, but they also have an online appliance store that at the time was showing the best prices for the Miele appliances on Toppreise.ch.

www.haushaltgeraete-schwegler.ch

From memory the overall discount vs. The list price from Miele was over 50%.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

Hi Kilns


As Ace1 has mentioned the biggest size differentiation here is between the 'swiss' 55cm and 'euro standard' 60cm widths.


Depending on your kitchen cupboards, assuming they are all the same width, there are 4 possibilities,



55cm, the worst for the future, either install new 55cm units now and upgrade the cupboards later still 55cm. This would be the most expensive as the 55cm units tend to have a Swiss premium.

55cm, replace / repair with new / cheap / secondhand units now, and then go for a full kitchen refurb later and swap to 60cm.

60cm, replace with cheap units now, full refurb later when budget allows.
60cm, replace with good units now, 60cm can be found for good prices as others have noted ( also check toppreise.ch ), and then can refurb cupboards around these later.


Good luck with new house.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

We have all Ikea appliances - their top-of-the-range stuff is excellent and similar in price to mid-range Siemens / Bosch stuff.

Put some in when we bought the house (replacing 45 yo originals), which took some "carpentry" to get them to fit in 55cm carcasses, and they look great in our refurbished kitchen with 60cm units.

Don't get me started on the price of Swiss brands like V-Zug...

"carpentry" = stuff done with a big hammer and rough saw, as opposed to carpentry where you bother to finish the edges etc.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

Toppreise.ch can be a bit misleading with kitchen appliances as some results are not from Switzerland and "in stock" is not always the case (and downright misleading at times!). I use nettoshop.ch for the several kitchens I have renovated and always call before ordering to confirm supply times and they have price matched a batch order on occasions. You can also search by size which is handy.

As others have said, if the units are not 60cms wide do not consider buying new units as you will limit your choices now and in the future. If they are 50 or 55 wide then look on Ricardo for newer ones, secondhand appliances are worth next to nothing and could be an improvement from your current ones. Maybe you can remove a cupboard or two and get a freestanding fridge, if you have laminex/wood/steel benchtops then they can be cut out larger to fit a new cooktop.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

Thanks with mostly helpful replies, yes, I have measured and luckily the units and oven are all 60cm wide, would I be right in assuming that the depth is quite standard?
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When we renovated two and a half years ago, we used Schwegler Küchenbau for the work, but they also have an online appliance store that at the time was showing the best prices for the Miele appliances on Toppreise.ch.

www.haushaltgeraete-schwegler.ch

From memory the overall discount vs. The list price from Miele was over 50%.
Thanks, they are literally 10 mins away from the new house
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Thanks with mostly helpful replies, yes, I have measured and luckily the units and oven are all 60cm wide, would I be right in assuming that the depth is quite standard?
Yes and no - there are standard (or maybe common) depths, but it isn't fixed in the same way as the width. For example, having shallower cupboards on one wall to give some extra floor space is pretty common.

But for something like an oven or hob the depth will match the usual depth of units that match a work surface, and need that space.

Fridges are a bit more variable and you can get shallower versions.

Microwaves are anyway quite shallow.
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Thanks with mostly helpful replies, yes, I have measured and luckily the units and oven are all 60cm wide, would I be right in assuming that the depth is quite standard?
Ish. The actual depth of the appliance may vary slightly, but only insomuch as it may not take up the full depth of your kitchen units (which, unless someone's butchered them, should be at least 60cm, externally measured from the wall).

Height of some units may also vary very slightly, like fridges in particular, which will normally have a flexible spacer flap at the top which allows you to raise or lower the feet to get the appliance totally level before fixing the top piece to the underside of the work surface (not strictly necessary to fix them, but I prefer it).

Oh, and if you have a built-in microwave it will not be standard, unless it's occupying a space for a full size oven.
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Ish. The actual depth of the appliance may vary slightly, but only insomuch as it may not take up the full depth of your kitchen units (which, unless someone's butchered them, should be at least 60cm, externally measured from the wall).

Height of some units may also vary very slightly, like fridges in particular, which will normally have a flexible spacer flap at the top which allows you to raise or lower the feet to get the appliance totally level before fixing the top piece to the underside of the work surface (not strictly necessary to fix them, but I prefer it).

Oh, and if you have a built-in microwave it will not be standard, unless it's occupying a space for a full size oven.
It's quite possible to also buy shallower depth units as required, we almost did that on one wall, and at least fridges to match a 55cm depth.

Our microwave oven is a standard 60cm width and 40cm height, not the size of our oven which is a standard 60x60.
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It's quite possible to also buy shallower depth units as required, we almost did that on one wall, and at least fridges to match a 55cm depth.
Sure, which is why I mentioned the caveat that a 60cm depth would allow any new standard appliance unit to fit, whereas in the reverse (e.g. your case) it may not.

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Our microwave oven is a standard 60cm width and 40cm height, not the size of our oven which is a standard 60x60.
The point being that there isn't really an accepted standard for microwaves, so for the OP's question, paraphrased as "will it just fit" they're not so clear-cut, which is why I mentioned it.

I fitted a Siemens combined oven/microwave in one of our apartments last year, for example, which had a height of 45cm, so clearly would not meet the "it just fits" criteria. This was in a new kitchen so I was able to make it work, but if one got that as a replacement oven as OP is wanting it would almost certainly be a problem.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

A fair point, although nothing really "just fits" in the case of ovens and microwaves because they are usually (nowadays) mounted in a tall cupboard unit and you need to decide on the space above and below to define door heights.

Fust and I assume others can actually produce doors in any height, e.g. to fit around your 45cm microwave, but they are about twice the price of a standard sized door. Not such an issue for a single unit, but I imagine if you wanted a whole wall of non-standard height it could get (even more) expensive quite quickly.
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Fust and I assume others can actually produce doors in any height, e.g. to fit around your 45cm microwave, but they are about twice the price of a standard sized door. Not such an issue for a single unit, but I imagine if you wanted a whole wall of non-standard height it could get (even more) expensive quite quickly.
Yeah, one of the reasons we went with Ikea was the availability of a multitude of different size and shape units and panels to fit the whole thing into an odd space, with some odd sized appliances being (re-)used as well. Just about to do another kitchen, this was about the last one I did.
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Re: New Appliances for old Kitchen

It's not quite plug-and-play but as others have pointed out there are regular sizings.

How easy it is next can depend if you have built-in units, eg with a panel on the front of the dishwasher or the fridge door, that's a bit more work.

Shops like Fust offer an installation service but check the small print for returns as normally you might want to return an item if for any reason it didn't fit but Fust's policy doesn't allow this.
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