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Re: Washing machine installation

Ah, thanks for the red rep- what on earth is the point of this?
I am sure you must be aware we are not all electrical or plumbing engineers, like you.

And the owner/rentor should be allowed to request professional installation- why should they not.

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Re: Washing machine installation

Tom, please just stop with the nasty attacks. They're uncalled for. You're particularly techically skilled and experienced, and that's a great thing, and so a mere washing-machine installation probably comes naturally to you. For many others, that just isn't the case. Just recently, I taught a man aged almost 40 how to use a screwdriver.

On one of our moves, the caretaker told us at the handover that if we ever got a washing-machine, the installation would have to be done by an official plumber, and that moreover, the owners would give permission only for their own, known and trusted plumbers.

The caretaker went on to tell us about the risks of leaks and flooding and causing backwashes into the building's water system, etc., and that if we were ever to cause any such problems we'd probably lose the goodwill, perhaps irretrievably, amongst neighbours. He said that if the damage was shown to have resulted by our not having called in their recognised plumber, we'd be held liable for all the damages caused by that omission, and that we would not even be able to count on any insurance cover.

Surprised by the last part, and out of curiosity, we asked the insurance company of our household insurance and of our liability insurance, and were told emphatically that if the damage resulted from our having installed a washing-machine without having called in a registerd plumber, the insurance would be invalidated by our having so neglected to do, and would not cover any of those costs.

The odd thing is, tonight, after reading the last series of posts, I went a-reading, and failed to find anything that substantiated that assertion. At all.

So some lack knowledge of the technical plumbing side, and others of the administrative steps. That's just no need to lash out at someone who doesn't know. Please don't.
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Re: Washing machine installation

I don't understand.
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Re: Washing machine installation

it's pretty basic: you need somewhere with:

1. space
2. suppy of water
3. drain for the water
4. electricity

so normally you locate it in the kitchen or bathroom or utility room which have these things.

all you really need to do is measure to find a machine that fits and then you can buy it and order delivery + installation and they will do the rest.

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Tom, please just stop with the nasty attacks.
What nasty attacks? Anyone with an IQ of 50+ can figure out how to hook up a washer!

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Alas, I presume that most people are not total idiots, but I suppose that some are.



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This. The mind boggles when you see today's warnings.

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.....So some lack knowledge of the technical plumbing side, and others of the administrative steps. That's just no need to lash out at someone who doesn't know. Please don't.
Tom did not lash out at someone who doesn't know but at someone who repeatedly claimed to know.

OP asked a genuine question and got some decent answers. I doubt OP addressed nannies to change their pampers though.
And I also agree with Tom that not everybody must post in every thread, there is no such rule, it's perfectly okay to keep out of some things. I often do and it has not harmed me at all.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Thanks for your explanation, Curley.
I still think there was too much nastiness here. Even if Jackie doesn't know anything about anything, it's not a reason to be rude to her.

Certainly I agree with you and Tom that not everybody must post in every thread, and I, too, keep well away from some topics, and that decision is a good one.
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Re: Washing machine installation

You need to ask the building administration. Mine got installed for free by the admin, who sent a plumber. There was already a specific evacuation pipe for the machine, but the plumber changed the bathtub tap to add an additional faucet to which the machine is now connected.

The previous tenant had connected the machine directly onto the bathtub tap, and when the plumber saw it he expressed his dismay. He said that it can be dangerous for the building and I could have been liable for damages caused to the plumbing from an illegal installation. The agency probably hadn't spot the issue as it really was just a small screw piece that was attached to the tap.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Hello all,

Interesting information!

We are moving to Basel-Land in few months and we started looking for accommodation. At first, we were shocked to see that most of the apartments advertised for rent have communal washing and drying facilities. We also noticed that some apartments do have washing machines and dryers in the apartments, installed either in the bathroom, kitchen or in a separate closet. We added only these apartments on our list.

By reading the thread I am under the impression that not having washing and drying machines in the apartment does not automatically mean that it is forbidden to install one, We need to ask the landlord/agency. Is that correct? If yes, it certainly broadens the range of potentially acceptable apartments. We should not automatically disqualify an apartment without washing and drying machine but we should ask whether installation of washing and drying facility is allowed instead.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Yes, it is possible in some cases. Just make sure your insurance covers it should your washing machine decide to flood the building (no, I'm not making this up).
Also, communal washing machines are not necessarily a bad thing, if there are enough of them or if the building does not have too many tenants. But if they have a plan on which days you're allowed to do laundry, run for the hills....
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Hi,

Does anyone please know how to go about assessing whether a washing machine could be installed in an apartment?

I have just moved to a new place and I'd rather not deal with the shared washing machine which is not very clean. However, I'm not sure whether a washing machine could be fitted into the apartment. The landlord allows it as long as it is professionally installed but I'm trying to assess the feasibility and potential costs.
Thank you.
I just got a washing machine installed [although I confess not in an apartment]. It needed three things.

1. A power source, as in a plug.
2. Direct access to clean water [like the sink]
3. Direct access to waist water [the drain, so yes the sink]

The two rooms you'll could use will be the kitchen or the bathroom. But if its a modern apartment, neither going to be easy. You likely need a space at least 80cm x 80cm square for the thing. Your average washing machine will be least 60cmx60cm big and you'll need some clearance.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Normally is installed in:
- bathroom / toilet(smaller bathroom)


sometimes is:
- reduit, but not many have it
- in the corridor close to the bathroom / toillet

I have never seen it in kitchen, but theoretical why not, the water connections are there, it just sounds utterly strange for me. We learn...

In practice, if the water connections are prepared, you will be able to install it. Most modern apartments for market rent have it. The agency should know it. Btw modern machines have automatic valveses that close the water in the case of failure. There are scenarios when those can fail but chances are very low.
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Alas, I presume that most people are not total idiots, but I suppose that some are.



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A bit of historical digression ...

https://www.englishforum.ch/housing-...hot-water.html
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Re: Washing machine installation

If "average" 60x60 machine is too big then buy a smaller one. Mine is 50x60. My

"Modern" machines won't help stop a leak if the drain (waste) pump seal fails, will they?

Washing machine in the UK are usually in/near the kitchen as it's unlikely you'll find a power supply (socket) there.

My place already had a washing machine feed in the bathroom and I had to put one in in the kitchen for the dishwasher.

If the apartment is solidly built there's not really any reason why you shouldn't put a washing machine in.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Talking about leaks, my parents have long had a top loading machine. Although don't know if you'll be able to get them in Switzerland.

You don't need about flooding so much with top loading machines, if they break you need fish your stuff out of the water, it just stays in the upright drum.
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Talking about leaks, my parents have long had a top loading machine. Although don't know if you'll be able to get them in Switzerland.

You don't need about flooding so much with top loading machines, if they break you need fish your stuff out of the water, it just stays in the upright drum.
Most leaks are due to a problem with the inlet valve (inside the machine), if the machine is disconnected from the mains then any anti-leak function will fail to work, so top tip always leave connected to the mains 24/7/365
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Talking about leaks, my parents have long had a top loading machine. Although don't know if you'll be able to get them in Switzerland.

You don't need about flooding so much with top loading machines, if they break you need fish your stuff out of the water, it just stays in the upright drum.
Top loaders are possible in CH
https://www.toppreise.ch/produktsuch...3x33%3asv18550

The Miele has leak detection.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Perhaps you knock on some doors and ask your neighbors if they've had washing machines installed and, if so, ask them to show you how they've connected them.

I've orded both a washing machine and a dryer from galaxus. While ordering it you can select services such as delivery and installation (you have a choose a supplier as they are external firms, but they'll show you price and reviews). The installation firm contacted me in both cases and I sent them pictures of how/where it should be installed.
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Also, communal washing machines are not necessarily a bad thing, if there are enough of them or if the building does not have too many tenants. But if they have a plan on which days you're allowed to do laundry, run for the hills....
I agree with this. The communal laundries have three systems of scheduling:
  1. a day allocated to each flat, and that roster is fixed
  2. an open time-table in which each tenant can enter their names to reserve slots
  3. no schedule at all and anyone can wash when the machine is free.
Option 1 suits people who live a very structured life, who have no distractions and who can plan their lives around their laundry schedule. This used to be, historically, the standard way of organising the schedule, but as society has changed, and more of the population want and need to be more flexible, it is now a relic and mostly being done away with.

Option 2 and Option 3 are both used fairly commonly. Option 2 seems to bring peace, as it results in some accountability so people tend, more, to leave the laundry room clean and tidy at the end of their reserved slot.

Many buildings have a resident self-appointed High Priestess of Laundry Cleanliness, who moans and criticises, holds herself in esteem as being the Lonely Martyr who ensure cleanliness, and is generally annoying. Even she, though can have the effect that things are better run, partly because She Always Leaves Everything Clean, and partly because the remaining neighbours are motivated by wanting to avoid ever having anything to do with her. Some buildings get by in peace, completely, without any such complaints.

Once one has gotten one's head around it - which mainly just means remembering that one can't necessarily wash at any time, whenever one has a whim to do so - the system of shared laundries can have real advantages.
  • You don't need to spend the money to buy the machines.
  • You don't need to spend the money to install the machines, and again to have them un-installed when you leave an appartment. Plumbers and other tradesmen earn a fair wage, here, to their work can be a cost to be reckoned with.
  • You don't need to sacrifice the space in your appartment for the machines. And, depending on the building, also not the space to have the laundry hanging up to dry.
  • The laundry will be equipped with one or more washing machines, plus some or all of a tumbler, extractor fan, dehumidifier and washing-lines. These are of industrial quality and as such may well work better and faster than what one might buy and install in one's home.
  • Many users sharing equipment that, after all, one doesn't actually need all the time, makes ecological sense.
  • If there is any defect in the communal laundry, you inform your caretaker, who will quickly get in a plumber, and the machine will be repaired or replaced within a day or a few days, at no inconvenience nor cost to you.
  • The machines will, in any case, be inspected and possibly serviced, at regular intervals, also without any effort from you.
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