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Re: Washing machine installation

speaking of which...

I need to install new machine ...actually 2-washing machines and two dryers to one sink output - so how do I do not to have pressure push against drying machines water-pumps - I'd need a valve I guess of some sort.

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Re: Washing machine installation

I've seen some youtubers showing their washing machine situation and it's utterly horrible IMO.

From 'one half day every two weeks', to 'whoever comes first' - but in all cases, there were only ONE machine.... that was the horrible part.

And also, some were pretty ordinary household machines of 8kg load (I've checked the specs).

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that for someone having half a day every two weeks would be enough in such situation (one machine).

I counted my loads (2 adults), and it's like 8-10 loads per week when nothing out of ordinary happens. In eco mode that's around 2-2.5h per load + same amount for drying.

To be able to do that in like one day, I'd expect having at least 4-5 machines + dryers available for just me.

Not to mention the part where you need to HAVE that day free for laundry, which might work for people who aren't working full time or work from home.

And if you have only one public machine and that one machine breaks, and you depend on the slow landlord to fix it, then what? Organise transport to some laundry place if there's any near you? And we've all seen that not all landlords solve issues swiftly. I can pick repairmen by who can come the fastest or I can just buy a new one.

In case of 'whoever comes first' approach, that's also bad, because what, you should check up and hunt the machine before someone else manages to do so? Or knock on the doors around to see other people's plans?

Why would someone want so much more mental load in their lives?

When it's in my flat - I put when I see the bag is full, when I see it's done I put into dryer and load another cycle if there's enough time before quiet times. So if I'm at home, without any extra organising skills I can do two loads in a day. Or for when I'm outside I can put a timer when it has to finish for when I come back so that laundry isn't too long sitting wet inside the machine.

Ideal number of each machines for me would be 3, so that I can paralelise the process and think even less about it. When I told the guy who was trying to sell us house (building from scratch) that I want space for that many, he thought I'm crazy. I guess he isn't the one doing the laundry.

So, I just cannot grasp why would someone, whole nation, see the exact opposite approach as - good?

Only thing I'd see as good version would be if there's really a bunch of machines available to one person at once, so you need to remember just a few time points - put things in, swap between machines, pick up. So, having a proper laundromat in the basement. One or two machines for 10+ flats isn't that.
But still, that's much more inconvenient as having it in own flat.

Our computers and phones have multiple cores and threads for like a decade now, and we will whine how we don't have enough free time and then we'll decide to waste it on mundane tasks and mental workload about scheduling?
I just don't get it
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I counted my loads (2 adults), and it's like 8-10 loads per week when nothing out of ordinary happens. In eco mode that's around 2-2.5h per load + same amount for drying.
Ah, now there are two differences immediately. Our shared washing machine
  • takes a much greater quantity of laundry in each load than a home machine does (= fewer loads), and
  • does a huge load in eco mode in a mere 26 minutes.
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Ah, now there are two differences immediately. Our shared washing machine
  • takes a much greater quantity of laundry in each load than a home machine does (= fewer loads), and
  • does a huge load in eco mode in a mere 26 minutes.
Yeah, it definitely can depend on the machine.
One I checked specs for was ordinary household machine.

Also, not every load is the same, eg temperature, washing detergent and so on. But I agree, if it's really big, like 2-3x bigger, and faster, then yes, that's huge difference between that and the ones I've seen, but you still have to babysit the process eg you have to remember to go there intentionally, won't happen when you go to the bathroom and see machine is finished

So would you mind sharing, how big load is it and how many machines you have at your disposal? And which schedule you have? Or in short - how your laundry process looks like

So far I've seen only those I've mentioned and no way that I'd consider that 'good deal' But it's entirely possible that people share frustrations only, or they didn't know something else is possible so they accepted this...

But if I find out about how else could it look like and what to check, who knows...
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So would you mind sharing, ... which schedule you have? Or in short - how your laundry process looks like
I don't know the kg load capacity offhand (and would have to go downstairs to have a look). But it is much larger than home machines. We have one washing machine and one tumble dryer.

We choose a day and time that suits our other commitments during the week and reserve a slot of about 2 or 3 or 4 hours in the time-table in the laundry. These slots have to go into our household calendar, too, so we don't forget to actually use the slots we've reserved. Most of the neighbours reserve like that, too, usually for about the next month. Some prefer to always wash on exactly the same weekday, others reserve an evening, or just one hour to do one load. Others, however, prefer to do just one load spontaneously if there's a gap, and there often is. The various planning styles all work, next to one another, because each household can choose what works for them. The machines can be used Monday to Saturday 7h to 22h; that's to keep the noise down for the flats nearby.

Before the time slot we chose, we sort the washing into piles. Then we zip down to the laundry, pop in a load. Back upstairs we put on the timer and get on with something else for the next 25 minutes (perhaps that's hanging up the clean clothes). At the beep, pop downstairs and swap loads. Depending on the textiles, we hang them up in the laundry or outside in the sun, small items in the flat, occasionally we tumble something. Repeat, going downstairs again when the timer goes.

After the last load, clean the machines, and clear out the hanging space (unless we've reserved extra time for that).

In one reserved slot we typically get 2, 3 or 4 large loads done, depending on our needs at the time, and how promptly we change the loads when the timer rings. Occasionally, instead, we just grab an open slot, for 1 load.
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I don't know the kg load capacity offhand (and would have to go downstairs to have a look). But it is much larger than home machines. We have one washing machine and one tumble dryer.
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After the last load, clean the machines
I keep seeing this mentioned, but what that entails exactly?

I mean, I descale and degrease mine like once a month or so, clean the detergent/softener tray, and that's about it. Ok, picking lint from dryer is after every load, and if I spill something on the floor it's after every spill. But that's about it.

Am I missing something, or those communal machines need something else?
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Re: Washing machine installation

hm, I am very satisfied with our communal machines, and for me it is a perfect system:
- no machine inside my apartment or to take care of

- no space needed to dry clothes
- the big machine is a huge plus, being able to wash a sleeping bag, or motorbike clothes or bed washings in one go.

The system works in our house, we have each day 3 slots, you can chooses them. Luckily no one is abusing the system, and at least 25% of slots are empty, so no problem if you change your mind or something urgent come, it is possible to wash almost always when you need.

How can someone do 10 loads per week for two people, I cannot imagine (but I don't doubt you). As a single person, I do 2 loads per week, one with whites, the other with colors. Every third week there is additional load with bed and kitchen washes. The big machine is almost never full, doubling the people would mean maybe one more load.

And I do change most of my things twice per day, plus clothes for sport.
I did change my habits a little since I am here, and maybe that helps me, I am only buying high quality clothes, made of wool or cotton. Also my sport clothes are mostly made of merino wool (except outer layers, which I wash 1-2 year). I can wash everything on 40°C and I never had any problems with discoloring. Once a week, 2x or 3x one hour.
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Re: Washing machine installation

Why would anyone want to have TWO washing machines, and TWO dryers installed in their apartment? Depending on the building, this will probably lead to many complaints fror other residents, due to noise and vibrations. And possibly worse if not installed properly.
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Why would anyone want to have TWO washing machines, and TWO dryers installed in their apartment? Depending on the building, this will probably lead to many complaints fror other residents, due to noise and vibrations. And possibly worse if not installed properly.
I’m not sure he meant he was going to install them in the apartment, just that he needed to install two washers and two dryers to one sink outlet.

I would imagine it’s in the basement and probably serves more than one appartement. Either that or he has an awful lot of laundry to do.

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Re: Washing machine installation

dedicated laundry room - detached house and not in basement - too far too walk up and down.

I purchased actually washing machine thinking old one is getting broken - one visit from Miele - they fixed it free of charge - by then I had already new machine and it's been seating idle never connected for last ...4+ years

So we decided to have dryer and connect 'new' set along side old one that is 12+ years old and still holding strong.

with teenagers - that be perfect fit.
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Why would anyone want to have TWO washing machines, and TWO dryers installed in their apartment?
When I've used a laundrette before I'm pretty sure I've used more than one machine at once.

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And possibly worse if not installed properly.
There really isn't too much to it. Honestly.

That attitude here that you need someone else to cut your grass, trim your hedge and paint your walls gets a little tiresome for people quite capable and quite happy to do these things ourselves.
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Re: Washing machine installation

for me it is bit different as connecting power of 4 appliances into 3-phase system the way that when run concurently won't cause issues is something I'd not do my self.
Than connecting switch to have 4/2/2/off appliance mode is what I need

and there is also connecting water (easy) and dirty water (not stright forward - needs something more I guess than just 4-way-pipe
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When I've used a laundrette before I'm pretty sure I've used more than one machine at once.



There really isn't too much to it. Honestly.

That attitude here that you need someone else to cut your grass, trim your hedge and paint your walls gets a little tiresome for people quite capable and quite happy to do these things ourselves.
Agreed, I do it all myself, apart from installing a washing machine or two, or electrics in general. And those who are quite capable, don't generally ask on an internet Forum, do they?

It was not clear at all this was to be in private house either. In many Cantons, including Vaud and Neuchâtel, it is forbidden to install private washing machines in apartments without specific permission from owner or Regie/agent.
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In many Cantons, including Vaud and Neuchâtel, it is forbidden to install private washing machines in apartments without specific permission from owner or Regie/agent.
That old chestnut, however as you confirmed after speaking to your insurance agent in your previous incarnation, that your third party insurance will pay out in the event of a flood even if your landlord refused permission. No need for sleepless nights on this one with or without landlords consent.

Of course if you don't want to install properly you can feed from a bathroom sink tap & drain into a toilet.
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for me it is bit different as connecting power of 4 appliances into 3-phase system the way that when run concurently won't cause issues is something I'd not do my self.
Than connecting switch to have 4/2/2/off appliance mode is what I need

and there is also connecting water (easy) and dirty water (not stright forward - needs something more I guess than just 4-way-pipe
Actually you're not even allowed to do that (three phase wiring), so if you do then don't tell anyone...

In the UK you can buy adapters that look like a regular extension lead but with each socket connected to a different phase. Not sure if you can get that here (i.e. T25 plug to 3x T13 sockets) other than the bulky "Baustromverteiler" units.

Water connection however is easy - most sinks already have the necessary bit to attach the water outlet from an appliance, and if not then it's pretty simple to fit one.
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Actually you're not even allowed to do that (three phase wiring), so if you do then don't tell anyone...

In the UK you can buy adapters that look like a regular extension lead but with each socket connected to a different phase. Not sure if you can get that here (i.e. T25 plug to 3x T13 sockets) other than the bulky "Baustromverteiler" units.

Water connection however is easy - most sinks already have the necessary bit to attach the water outlet from an appliance, and if not then it's pretty simple to fit one.
Never saw a washing machine that needed 3 phase, they come with a regular plug even in CH where I have bought 2.

3 phase is very rare in domestic settings in the UK, unless your home is bigger than say 400m2 heated by electricity it won't be needed.
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Never saw a washing machine that needed 3 phase, they come with a regular plug even in CH where I have bought 2.

3 phase is very rare in domestic settings in the UK, unless your home is bigger than say 400m2 heated by electricity it won't be needed.
Actually most come with option to switch on the board between 2 and 3 phases on appliances capable of both.

However I could run it on 2-phase , so the trick is to use 3-phase line I have and split appliances among phases and not to overload any given cable/fuse when all work concurrently. That leads to -> I need an " electrician " to connect it

and no "regular plug " - rather 6x2.5mm wires standing out

https://www.miele.ch/pmedia/ZGA/TX20...1617930-01.pdf , page 101
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Actually you're not even allowed to do that (three phase wiring), so if you do then don't tell anyone...

In the UK you can buy adapters that look like a regular extension lead but with each socket connected to a different phase. Not sure if you can get that here (i.e. T25 plug to 3x T13 sockets) other than the bulky "Baustromverteiler" units.

Water connection however is easy - most sinks already have the necessary bit to attach the water outlet from an appliance, and if not then it's pretty simple to fit one.
Oh... I had no idea ! thanks for letting me know...
I had that https://www.distrelec.ch/de/netzstec...UaAkAtEALw_wcB

however I now want to plug 4x240V into 1x400V line ... and use all three phases to spread the load

for water - issue is that when both washing machines would run 100% dirty water out - there is not enough capacity to push the water down - not an issue for washing machines - but there be 2 more pipes from tumbler's condensation pumps and I'd not want dirty water reach the pump ...counting on air in the pipe and water-seal at the tumbler-pump may be costly
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Why would anyone want to have TWO washing machines, and TWO dryers installed in their apartment? Depending on the building, this will probably lead to many complaints fror other residents, due to noise and vibrations. And possibly worse if not installed properly.
If you want to paralelise the proces and not waiting until one finishes to start second one.
Like, if you're working whole day and don't have block of hours to babysit the machine. Or you don't want to spend your weekend on laundry alone.

That's my reason at least.
And communal laundry which has only one set of machines definitely wouldn't work for me.

Another thing, I don't see the reason for complaints if machines aren't broken. Mine spins in high frequencies (bass goes easier through the wall) and doesn't jump like crazy or something. I don't have mats either.

But ok, in some old buildings where you hear other person walking, I see how spinning cycle could be heard, but still, why would anyone complain if you're washing during regular hours allowed for noise production also known as living?

@JackieH: I've read somewhere that no one can forbid you to have a washing machine in your apartment, maybe on that tenant's association site or somewhere here on forum...
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… for dryers no return valves...
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