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Old 06.01.2021, 17:07
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This is electrical heating and you unlikely to get permit to replace any heating with electrical heating - needless to say you could not install all that just by plugging it into the wall .. until you have 10w/m2 Minenergie home - but than you could use one of these 2000W Haartrockner's for 19.90CHF for home heating.
Actually, do you have a source for electrical heating being subject to permission? I was struggling to find definitive information on what is allowed in canton Zurich and heard murmurs of a ban on oil and electric heating, but it seemed that these were prospective measures and I'm not clear on what the current rules are and when they are likely to change.

Since you can also buy plug-in portable radiators, I also found it strange that the same thing wall mounted would be banned.
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Old 06.01.2021, 23:44
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Actually, do you have a source for electrical heating being subject to permission? I was struggling to find definitive information on what is allowed in canton Zurich and heard murmurs of a ban on oil and electric heating, but it seemed that these were prospective measures and I'm not clear on what the current rules are and when they are likely to change.

Since you can also buy plug-in portable radiators, I also found it strange that the same thing wall mounted would be banned.
You may use portable radiators as long as these are not only source of heating - so yes, you can use them where you see it fit ..

https://topheizung.ch/heizsysteme/elektroheizung
https://topheizung.ch/ratgeber/muken...zungssanierung

Bestandsbauten mit einem Baujahr vor 1990 dürfen ab 2015 – unter Berücksichtigung einer Sanierungspflicht innert zehn Jahren – keinen Strom mehr für Widerstandsheizungen oder für die Warmwasseraufbereitung nutzen

Ab 2020 muss im Zuge von Sanierungsmassnahmen ein definierter Teil des Warmwasserbedarfs durch Erneuerbare Energien gedeckt werden.

Zentrale Elektroheizungen und zentrale Elektro-Wasserwärmer unterliegen in Zukunft einer Sanierungspflicht."


what simply is saying that you shall have heating that uses renewable energy sources (so no oil,gas , etc - wood is ok) and same time all elektro-heating for warm water is subjected to this measures going forward starting 2020. Note that it was released in 2014 so there was 6-years time to 'renovate with old rules in place' ..

my cantonal things are even more strict and require removal all eletro heaters (centra+WW) by 2024 regardless ..

You may want to check for details on website of Amt fur Umwelt of your canton (I do not know French name for it).

There may be some extra $$$ for renovation of the floor heating and adding to that heatpump may cover up to 50% - in my case- of all the costs .

"Bonus für Erstinstallation neues, wasserführendes Wärmeverteilsystem, z.B. beim Ersatz von direkt-elektri-
schen Bodenheizungen:
1'600 Franken + 40 Franken/kWth"

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Re: House with outdated heating

The house is from 1700 - is it landmarked?

It's quite costly to properly renovate such a building - I'd guess it's hardly worth it unless you live in there yourself.

It's even more costly if it's landmarked...

If you want to install a new low-temperature heat-pump, you have to replace windows and cladding and probably all the piping...

I'd let it be as it is, as long as it's legally possible and then either sell it or tear it down and rebuild...
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The house is from 1700 - is it landmarked?

It's quite costly to properly renovate such a building - I'd guess it's hardly worth it unless you live in there yourself.

It's even more costly if it's landmarked...

If you want to install a new low-temperature heat-pump, you have to replace windows and cladding and probably all the piping...

I'd let it be as it is, as long as it's legally possible and then either sell it or tear it down and rebuild...
what do you mean by landmarked?

it is a protected area which means that I'm not allowed to do anything to change the look of the roof (e.g. solar panels) and I suspect no signficant cosmetic changes allowed.
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Re: House with outdated heating

In 2008 we bought a 9 room house with 5 "old electrical storage heaters".


These "old electrical storage heaters" start working at 11 PM when the electricity is half price and heat nearly the whole house.


It is only me and my husband and for one year we pay about 1200 CHF with one refrigerator, one washing machine, few computers, coffee-machine and two CD-players.



These heaters might look old but they work like a charm. They load during the night and if next day is very cold you press a button and some warm air comes from down, right?


My architect husband told me it is forbidden to install them now but if you already have them, you can keep them as long as you live and longer.




Better keep them and think positive:"My house will be rented with a very good price and everything will be fine"


Whatever question you have I could ask my husband, you can even come to see the bills. We asked to see the bills for electricty BEFORE buying, they were low.


Next beautiful modern house we bought has one Kachelofen, one infrarot heater, heating under the tiles in kitchens and some modern beautiful heaters to dry towels in bathrooms but it's so cold... we still live in the old house.


Both houses are South orientated.



You could come to see both houses and see for yourself.
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Re: House with outdated heating

Sometimes you need to look beyond simply whether it is a good financial return on investment. There is also no substitute for actually living there (even for a weekend) to know what works and what doesn't.
Have you spoken with the tenants?
Does the current system work well i.e. are they generally warm and comfortable with enough hot water when they need it?
Are they having to spend crazy amounts to do this?

It's in everyone's best interest to have a system that works to a 'reasonable' standard so that you can protect your investment, avoid high tenant turnover and maybe do a bit to protect the environment.

Like Filmliebhaber says, if the current system works well then your focus might just be on cosmetics so advice from Pancakes could be the way forward. However, if they are spending big to warm the place along with the local countryside then you might want to shift your attention to better insulation and a more modern system with greater efficiency.

Back in the UK, there was usually a person in the Council (in the building control office) that could give independent advice on the pros and cons of heating system options in your area and property type. Not sure if there is a similar approach in Switzerland but might be worth looking into. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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