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Old 16.01.2021, 14:50
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

Wow the incident was actually caught on camera ..

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Old 16.01.2021, 14:57
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Agreed. I will check with a few other manufacturer's (it was a quality and reputable Swiss company) and talk to the building owner again. I do believe it was a large snowfall falling from the roof onto the awning which caused it to snap. I just wonder if it had broken something else of mine what would happen. The amount of accumulated snow would have been from 15:00-2:00am yesterday. However, at least I know it can be fixed and I am glad it didn't slam through my windows and cause even more damage.

I really appreciate all your comments.
If something on your balcony would have been damaged by the shade breaking, then it would be your contents insurance (if you had it) that would cover the damage. Instead of rolling out the shade, which you don't own, next time invest in some heavy-duty covers for your balcony items.

Definitely look into 3rd party liability insurance for the future. As others have said that would be the insurance for the shade getting broken and it's also the insurance that helps cover repair costs when you move out.
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

I took a look at my contract and it is the general HEV one with nothing extra added in (https://www.schweizer-relocation.ch/...EV-English.pdf). There isn't any information about the shade outside. Many of my neighbors also have theirs out and the snow accumulation is not high. Where would it be written on the document? All it shows I am responsible for is minor repairs?
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Old 16.01.2021, 17:20
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I took a look at my contract and it is the general HEV one with nothing extra added in (https://www.schweizer-relocation.ch/...EV-English.pdf). There isn't any information about the shade outside. Many of my neighbors also have theirs out and the snow accumulation is not high. Where would it be written on the document? All it shows I am responsible for is minor repairs?
Biggest snowfall in ZH in 15 years, and you intentionally put out your shade awning to 'protect things on your balcony'. It broke, because of your stupidity.

Just pay up already

edit: read the contract.

"Tenant is liable for any damage caused by harmful and negligent use of the property."

"Tenant is recommended to conclude a liability insurance covering, inter alia, damages by Tenant during the whole lease term."

You could claim that the awning is really meant for heavy snow loads and have it sent off for forensic analysis to solidify your case.

Or you could tell the landlord that it was the snow's fault, and that he should send the bill to Old Man Winter.

Or you could pay.
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I took a look at my contract and it is the general HEV one with nothing extra added in (https://www.schweizer-relocation.ch/...EV-English.pdf). There isn't any information about the shade outside. Many of my neighbors also have theirs out and the snow accumulation is not high. Where would it be written on the document? All it shows I am responsible for is minor repairs?
Do you have house rules?
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Old 16.01.2021, 17:52
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

From the Mieterverband:

https://intern.mieterverband.ch/ldt/...t=Sonnenstoren
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

That doesn't say the price for the whole unit (or give an expected lifetime), assuming the arms snapped on the awning.

At Hornbach they run between 1-2k CHF

https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Sonnens...ikelliste.html

With Swiss quality installation, OP will likely pay at least double that i suspect.
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Old 16.01.2021, 18:16
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

No, but it gives you the life time and OP might profit from that if the sun store is already older.

No idea what the cost will be, that depends on several things like width, electronic or manual etc.
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

Maybe OP lives in a very old building - ours (rental) was replaced last summer, though the old one still looked and worked fine and had been there since the early 60s.

The new one is Swiss-made, Stobag brand. 4.5x2m. Prices aren't listed online. Must cost a small fortune.

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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

Seems like we have a cultural issue here - no-one who has lived here in snow country for some years, would ever even think of leaving the awning down in heavy snow fall. Snow weighs a ton- not even snow that falls from roof, but snow that accumulates on any surface.

I don't think any insurance will cover such damage, because here it would be considered gross negligence.

I am so so sorry OP - you probably do not have life experience of snow and the damage it can cause as it gets very heavy and unstable. Hopefully it will not be too expensive and you'll never make the same mistake again. Good luck.
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Old 16.01.2021, 19:05
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Seems like we have a cultural issue here - no-one who has lived here in snow country for some years, would ever even think of leaving the awning down in heavy snow fall. Snow weighs a ton- not even snow that falls from roof, but snow that accumulates on any surface.

I don't think any insurance will cover such damage, because here it would be considered gross negligence.

I am so so sorry OP - you probably do not have life experience of snow and the damage it can cause as it gets very heavy and unstable. Hopefully it will not be too expensive and you'll never make the same mistake again. Good luck.
I agree but at the same time, why would OP put out the awning to protect the balcony furniture? If OP thought heavy snow was going to damage that, then it's logical (to me anyway) that heavy snow could damage a lightweight shade that's only attached by a few arms.
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Snow weighs a ton.
If it's 50cm deep and covers at least 4m2, otherwise, no.

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Old 16.01.2021, 19:30
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Seems like we have a cultural issue here - no-one who has lived here in snow country for some years, would ever even think of leaving the awning down in heavy snow fall. Snow weighs a ton- not even snow that falls from roof, but snow that accumulates on any surface.

I don't think any insurance will cover such damage, because here it would be considered gross negligence.

I am so so sorry OP - you probably do not have life experience of snow and the damage it can cause as it gets very heavy and unstable. Hopefully it will not be too expensive and you'll never make the same mistake again. Good luck.
Private liability insurance does cover gross negligence if you pay the premium. We are wit AXA and have that.

However I am curious to see with the table of lifetime if owner can claim.higher costs due to "overuse" which in this situation would be more like wrong use.

Let's see.
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

Our roof is about 250 m2 - and we have about 40cm on top- that must be a lot of tons!

I imagine that the OP wanted to protect the furniture from being wet, and did not anticipate, from lack of experience, how heavy snow can be when it accumulates- especially if it is wetter.
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If it's 50cm deep and covers at least 4m2, otherwise, no.

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If it was more than 4m2 it would be more than a ton
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

About 50% of my neighbors have their awning out as much or more than I did, so I'm not the only one. This one was Stobag brand and appeared to be very solid. I called a Stomag retailer and told them what happened and they were very surprised and said it couldn't happen just from snow accumulation but no one has been out to view the damage to say for sure. We will see what next week brings.
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The new one is Swiss-made, Stobag brand. 4.5x2m. Prices aren't listed online. Must cost a small fortune.
This was some years ago, but back then a made-to-measure manual crank Stobag, local firm, about 5 x 2 or 2.5 was ca. 3K-ish. I had two others made at the same time, so perhaps I got a bit off for volume.

The cost is in the size of the awning - if you post your aproximate dimensions, Laufen, someone could likely give you a better idea of the cost.
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About 50% of my neighbors have their awning out as much or more than I did, so I'm not the only one. This one was Stobag brand and appeared to be very solid. I called a Stomag retailer and told them what happened and they were very surprised and said it couldn't happen just from snow accumulation but no one has been out to view the damage to say for sure. We will see what next week brings.
Did you inform your landlord? If you ask them to come out youŽll get the bill for that.
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

The only part that was damaged was the arms. Everything else looks to be in good shape. They snapped off at the very top near the big huge screw. They are about 180 cm each and the fabric is about 3m across (not sure how long).
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Re: Balcony cover shade just collapsed

We live in a house with quite a large electric sunshade on the terrace(10m x 2.5m) . It is specifically written in our rental contract that negligent damage like this would not be covered by insurance.
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