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Old 16.01.2021, 13:14
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No he didn't and he's still not complaining. I was only wondering if by law they would have to review the property after certain amount of years. He had once complained about the mold in the bedroom and they painted it aswell as the toilet which they replaced after 1 year of informing them

Apart from that the other rooms have mold too like bathroom and living room but I just use bleach and they told us to leave the windows open for a few minutes to prevent it from happening.
I understand mold is a common problem in Swiss houses, especially houses from the 1960s and 1970s. At the time people thought making a house as airtight as possible was the highest degree of luxury. This led to an accumulation of moisture which causes mold.

It helps to use the extractor fan when cooking and open the kitchen window by a crack at the same time. Also, as you say, ventilation by opening all windows and letting in the fresh air for say half an hour a day does help. Even if it's freezing cold outside.

It is also recommendable to keep an eye on your outside walls, and prevent them getting too cold. Make sure as little furniture as possible is placed directly against the wall but leave a gap so that air can circulate. I once had a sofa against an outside wall and when I moved it there was very ugly mold both on the wall and on the cushions.
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Old 16.01.2021, 13:16
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Re: Rent increase

I don't know if it's worth mentioning regarding the swedish oven we have to pay 200 chf every 2 years to get it cleaned.

"We" or "the boyfriend"? If you are more or less living at your boyfriend's flat, the landlord may ask for an increase in rent.

https://tp-rechtsanwaelte.de/nachzug...n-mietvertrag/

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Is there a risk of a rent increase if the partner moves into the apartment?

In principle, the landlord must agree to the partner moving in. However, he can enforce a rent increase together with his consent ( 553 II BGB) if he could not otherwise be expected to accept the partner's move.

However, this provision is of little relevance in practice. It will be difficult for the landlord to prove a need for a considerable increase in the basic rent. This is because the basic rent is generally paid for the size and location of the apartment. Both factors do not change when another person moves in. However, a surcharge for increased wear and tear of the apartment can usually be demanded.

However, a rent increase cannot be demanded if the spouse or registered partner moves in with the tenant, as this is not a case of a third party moving in and permission from the landlord is not required.

However, the situation is different when it comes to operating costs. For example, water consumption increases when a person moves in. More tenants consume more. In this case, the landlord can then also demand an adjustment of the operating costs before agreeing to the partner moving in.

The same applies if the rental agreement stipulates that ancillary costs are not calculated according to the size of the apartment, but according to the number of people.

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Re: Rent increase

That's great oldgirl. I actually live in UK still. I just visit my boyfriend and stay here maybe 1 or 2 months then leave and come back after 2 months again.
But the info will be useful for when I finally move here

Bill's aren't included. He pays for them.
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I understand mold is a common problem in Swiss houses, especially houses from the 1960s and 1970s. At the time people thought making a house as airtight as possible was the highest degree of luxury. This led to an accumulation of moisture which causes mold.

It helps to use the extractor fan when cooking and open the kitchen window by a crack at the same time. Also, as you say, ventilation by opening all windows and letting in the fresh air for say half an hour a day does help. Even if it's freezing cold outside.

It is also recommendable to keep an eye on your outside walls, and prevent them getting too cold. Make sure as little furniture as possible is placed directly against the wall but leave a gap so that air can circulate. I once had a sofa against an outside wall and when I moved it there was very ugly mold both on the wall and on the cushions.

Thanks for all the advice. Very helpful
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If your boyfriend feels, it's unfair, I'd say it's worth asking Asloca or Mieterverband about it. There are renovations which are considered a "Wertsteigerung" (increase in value) which can be passed on to the tenant and others as "Werterhaltung" (conservation of value) which are the owners problem.
The Swiss understanding of this is very different however from e.g. the German one.

I once challenged a rent increase and argued that a lot of the work was just renewing really old stuff (piping etc.) which in my German understanding is like wear & tear and owner's problem. So Werterhalt rather than Wertsteigerung. The mediation council (or whatever it was called) looked at me like I was from Mars when I argued this. At the end a delayed rent increase was proposed as amicable settlement because the works were not complete by when they wanted higher rent.
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The Swiss understanding of this is very different however from e.g. the German one.

I once challenged a rent increase and argued that a lot of the work was just renewing really old stuff (piping etc.) which in my German understanding is like wear & tear and owner's problem. So Werterhalt rather than Wertsteigerung. The mediation council (or whatever it was called) looked at me like I was from Mars when I argued this. At the end a delayed rent increase was proposed as amicable settlement because the works were not complete by when they wanted higher rent.
Interesting. Possibly the mediation council (was that the Friedensrichter?) didn't have a clue? I had one of those once (cost my ex-husband money, her refusing to do her job properly in spite of me telling her to several times). An other one was at the heritage office Basel Land. It is unbelievable what kind of people get jobs in governmental places, which should be reliable institutions.

This is why I suggest - in OPs case - to contact Mieterverband first.
We had all kinds of rather big things done here and never had a rent raise (as it was "werrterhaltend"). If a landlord wants to improve/renovate their apartments which leads to a rent-raise, they have to inform the tenants early enough for them to decide to terminate the contract and on. They even have to do it this way when they lower the rent, by the way.

PS my advise was not based on German rules.
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Interesting. Possibly the mediation council (was that the Friedensrichter?) didn't have a clue? I had one of those once (cost my ex-husband money, her refusing to do her job properly in spite of me telling her to several times). An other one was at the heritage office Basel Land. It is unbelievable what kind of people get jobs in governmental places, which should be reliable institutions.

This is why I suggest - in OPs case - to contact Mieterverband first.
We had all kinds of rather big things done here and never had a rent raise (as it was "werrterhaltend"). If a landlord wants to improve/renovate their apartments which leads to a rent-raise, they have to inform the tenants early enough for them to decide to terminate the contract and on. They even have to do it this way when they lower the rent, by the way.

PS my advise was not based on German rules.
I don't recall what this mediation thing was called. You have the right to call for a - free of charge - mediation, and there were three people on the council, one of them the Green lady who is now Stadtrat in the City of Zurich. I had the impression they were sitting in such meetings a lot, so would have thought they knew their stuff. There were also clearly value-adding parts in the renovation.

At the end their hands were also tied because the landlord's lawyer said on the outset that he had no mandate to agree to a lesser increase. So suggesting to postpone the effect of the increase was the only thing they could do.

Good process, I found. Cost me two hours of "prep" and saved me 6 months of increased rent.
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Re: Rent increase

the whole rent increase/decrease stuff depends on the contract, just because you can often get it reduced when the rate decreases doesn't mean it applies to their contract.

Still, the house was improved through investments and they want to increase rent, it's not unreasonable.
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