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Garden Gate lock

We have just had a new Garden Gate installed. It comes with 3 keys. Gate is metal and quite strong.

But the lock is weird. When the lock is closed (locked) you can remove the key. But when the lock is open the key is trapped in the lock. The guys that installed it says this is normal and is for security.

But if I want to go through the locked gate, relocking it from the other side I have extra steps.

1. Unlock gate and open door a little,
2. Turn key (extending deadbolt) and remove key,
3. Go through gate and insert key on other side,
4. Turn key (retracting deadbolt),
5. Close gate and lock it.

I understand that this might be a good thing as it stops the key from being dislodged, but it doesnít give any extra security and actually encourages people to leaving the key in the lock.

Long story, but is this normal? If so is there any way to turn it off? Replacing the cylinder would work but ...
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Remove the lock?
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Do you have a dremel and some tools?

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Do you have a dremel and some tools?

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Iíd say no, because Iím not certain what a dremel is

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Re: Garden Gate lock

It doesn't sound normal to me. Is it just a standard gate lock supplied with the gate? We have had many of those, and it was absolutely possible to remove the key.

Or did you order a special cylinder, like Kaba?

Maybe you could post a picture of the lock.
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Old 23.01.2021, 11:49
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Re: Garden Gate lock

It sounds most unusual to me. You are not able to leave the gate unlocked, say for giving a tradesman access to your garden, without leaving the key in it. Obviously, you can get such locks, but surely no one would specify such a thing for that application.
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Iíd say no, because Iím not certain what a dremel is

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Today i learned that Dremel is American. Thought it is German, like Bosch or Proxxon.
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I have two, both bought at Migros in CH!

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Re: Garden Gate lock

Have never heard of a lock that works like this.
This usually happens when a cam has slipped in the deadlock or when it has been set to 'behave' like this. You should ask the guy who fixed it to give you the manual.
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Re: Garden Gate lock

I have heard of it and itís indeed a very standard feature. I think in English itís called a key retaining lock. Normally not hard to replace with a non-retaining core.
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Old 23.01.2021, 20:54
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Thank you all for your comments. Iím going to ask the guys that installed it to replace it with one that doesnít retain the key.
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Öthis locks are standard for big shipping containers, that is preventing to not close by mistake someone in container...
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Our old window locks were like this - the keys could be removed by not quite locking them then pushing the bolt back in.

But not a long term solution on something used frequently, I would also get the cylinder replaced.

If you're doing that, you could get a cylinder to match your main door, so only needing one key.
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Old 24.01.2021, 02:48
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Re: Garden Gate lock

The German terms for this type lock system, where the key cannot be removed in the open position :

Zwangsverriegelung
Schliesszwang
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Old 24.01.2021, 09:05
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Re: Garden Gate lock

Verrouillage obligatoire ou Verrouillage forcť?

In French?
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Old 24.01.2021, 12:08
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Verrouillage obligatoire ou Verrouillage forcť?

In French?
I found this is a Keso Catalogue (2012) Article 41.013. It is, in this case, a half cylinder.

[Demi-] cylindre avec contrainte de verrouillage et limite de panneton.

The equivalent English catalogue has this description:

Single cylinder with forced locking and cam limiter.
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