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My apartment I am renting in Vaud has for the last month had an issue of vibrations. I cannot sleep. I have tried a number of anti vibration pads under the bed and sleeping pills don't work. I have been renting an airbnb on weekends to catch up on sleep.



I spoke to the landlord and the janitor, they aparantly asked neighbours who know nothing and basically said since I was the only person complaining, perhaps I should find another place to live. Thinly veiled threat aside, I have taken their advice but due to the current situation, finding a replacement apartment is taking even more time than usual. In the meantime I need a way to find sleep as it has been affecting my job.



The building is old so it is difficult to track down the vibrations but likewise, it was built with a bomb shelter underneath which has been converted into private caves for each resident. I am lucky in that mine is part of a group which have brick walls and doors but subdivided using the more common wooden panels. This means only the cave to my left and right can see into mine.



I've bought a camping bed and sleeping bag and there are no vibrations or sound, so i can actually get sleep. I haven't told my landlord or the building janitor yet. Is there any law against this? Apart from someone hearing my snoring walking past for some reason at night, do neighbours have the right to conplain?
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My apartment I am renting in Vaud has for the last month had an issue of vibrations. I cannot sleep. I have tried a number of anti vibration pads under the bed and sleeping pills don't work. I have been renting an airbnb on weekends to catch up on sleep.



I spoke to the landlord and the janitor, they aparantly asked neighbours who know nothing and basically said since I was the only person complaining, perhaps I should find another place to live. Thinly veiled threat aside, I have taken their advice but due to the current situation, finding a replacement apartment is taking even more time than usual. In the meantime I need a way to find sleep as it has been affecting my job.



The building is old so it is difficult to track down the vibrations but likewise, it was built with a bomb shelter underneath which has been converted into private caves for each resident. I am lucky in that mine is part of a group which have brick walls and doors but subdivided using the more common wooden panels. This means only the cave to my left and right can see into mine.



I've bought a camping bed and sleeping bag and there are no vibrations or sound, so i can actually get sleep. I haven't told my landlord or the building janitor yet. Is there any law against this? Apart from someone hearing my snoring walking past for some reason at night, do neighbours have the right to conplain?
Its called an apartment celler! And there are probably house rules against this. You should visit your doctor
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

The bomb shelters are intended to have people sleep in them. Thatís the point.
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"Quite official: Basement rooms are usually not living space
In terms of usage law, sleeping in the basement is in most cases not allowed. Basements usually have no windows, are often not sufficiently insulated and may not comply with fire protection regulations. They are often unsuitable as living rooms and therefore also as bedrooms."
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

That is odd. Can you feel the vibrations during the day or only at night? You said it just started recently in the last month or so. I wonder if it could be coming from another apartment. There is a "hobby room" below our son's bedroom, which a group of teenagers use as a party space, and the bass from their music and video games is often so loud that my son can't fall asleep.

I suggest looking for a new apartment and until you find one, continue sleeping in the cellar and just don't tell anyone. If your neighbors aren't nosy and are good about minding their own business, they shouldn't care anyways.

Good luck. I know how awful it is to deal with something constantly disturbing your sleep.
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

I don't see it as a threat, they simply don't have anyone else having an issue and offer you a self-managed way of potentially solving the problem.

A question, do you have a history of electromagnetic hypersensitivity? There could be a new device that you or your neighbours have that disturbs you somehow.
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The bomb shelters are intended to have people sleep in them. Thatís the point.
Not when they have been converted to normal basement usage as described by the OP or they have been decommissioned.
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

Well theres a good and bad to everything

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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

Are you close to any tram or train lines? We could feel (and hear) the tram line that went across the bridge on the Rhein over half a mile down the road. Didn't bother us ... but perhaps that could be it? Your other neighbors might be able to feel it too, but don't pick it up like you do. Some are more sensitive to sensations than others...
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My apartment I am renting in Vaud has for the last month had an issue of vibrations. I cannot sleep. I have tried a number of anti vibration pads under the bed and sleeping pills don't work. I have been renting an airbnb on weekends to catch up on sleep.

I spoke to the landlord and the janitor, they aparantly asked neighbours who know nothing and basically said since I was the only person complaining, perhaps I should find another place to live. Thinly veiled threat aside, I have taken their advice but due to the current situation, finding a replacement apartment is taking even more time than usual. In the meantime I need a way to find sleep as it has been affecting my job.

The building is old so it is difficult to track down the vibrations but likewise, it was built with a bomb shelter underneath which has been converted into private caves for each resident. I am lucky in that mine is part of a group which have brick walls and doors but subdivided using the more common wooden panels. This means only the cave to my left and right can see into mine.

I've bought a camping bed and sleeping bag and there are no vibrations or sound, so i can actually get sleep. I haven't told my landlord or the building janitor yet. Is there any law against this? Apart from someone hearing my snoring walking past for some reason at night, do neighbours have the right to conplain?
Hey, hope you find a solution soon.

But, think for a minute, not sleeping whatever the reason is an issue which may be beyond the flat. I don't think neighbors would make a big problem if you leave a note in your cellar door explaining the insomnia. Sleeping in the cellar may be a relief, but you cannot stay there indefinitely. Talk to a doctor, or a therapist.

About the newfound vibrations.....the lack of sunlight alters sleep cycles. Not sure how much you were physically active before the current soft lockdown.
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My apartment I am renting in Vaud has for the last month had an issue of vibrations. I cannot sleep. I have tried a number of anti vibration pads under the bed and sleeping pills don't work. I have been renting an airbnb on weekends to catch up on sleep.



I spoke to the landlord and the janitor, they aparantly asked neighbours who know nothing and basically said since I was the only person complaining, perhaps I should find another place to live. Thinly veiled threat aside, I have taken their advice but due to the current situation, finding a replacement apartment is taking even more time than usual. In the meantime I need a way to find sleep as it has been affecting my job.
There is a relatively easy manner to prove the vibrations to your landlord. download a seismic app in your mobile, and let it run (and record) during the night, when you feel the vibrations. Put it on top of a table or top of a chair (better than on the floor), as it will amplify and record what you are feeling in bed. If the recordings in the morning show a flat line, visit a doctor. If there are vibrations, you will know the amplitude, frequency, cadence and time, so you will be more capable to 'source' them - -and to prove your point to your landlord. Best of luck!
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

perhaps one of your neighbours has sneakily installed a washing machine in their flat- and washing at night ? (lol )

good advice above.
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But, think for a minute, not sleeping whatever the reason is an issue which may be beyond the flat. I don't think neighbors would make a big problem if you leave a note in your cellar door explaining the insomnia. Sleeping in the cellar may be a relief, but you cannot stay there indefinitely. Talk to a doctor, or a therapist.
I would refrain from putting up a note. Do not draw unneeded attention to a tricky situation.

@OP: Is see three options:
- The vibrations are real, in which case it should be measurable.
- The vibrations are not real, and it is an physical issue for example with your inner ear.
- The vibrations are not real, and it is an psychological/neurological issue.

In my houses the pump of the heating system made once quite a bit of ruckus. This noise was transported by the pipe to various places in the house, but was specially and annoyingly noticeable in the sleeping room.
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I would refrain from putting up a note. Do not draw unneeded attention to a tricky situation.

@OP: Is see three options:
- The vibrations are real, in which case it should be measurable.
- The vibrations are not real, and it is an physical issue for example with your inner ear.
- The vibrations are not real, and it is an psychological/neurological issue.

In my houses the pump of the heating system made once quite a bit of ruckus. This noise was transported by the pipe to various places in the house, but was specially and annoyingly noticeable in the sleeping room.
I had over pressured incoming water, this led to the safety valve on the hot water tank dripping, this caused the water meter to vibrate. It only happened when no water was being used.
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...In my houses the pump of the heating system made once quite a bit of ruckus. This noise was transported by the pipe to various places in the house, but was specially and annoyingly noticeable in the sleeping room.
Exactly the same in my apartment, when I have sleepless nights, it annoys me, but it this not a cause of it.
- we humans adapt to different environments, including noisy one, that is one of the advantage of our species.
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What the hell .
Too early for a Friday troll thread!
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

It being an old building in Vaud, might want to test for radon gas before sleeping in the cellar.
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Exactly the same in my apartment, when I have sleepless nights, it annoys me, but it this not a cause of it.
- we humans adapt to different environments, including noisy one, that is one of the advantage of our species.
Quite so. When I was a kid I served on several large cargo ships, with constant noise from engines - even when stationary in port the generators made a lot of noise and vibrations. Never had any problem adapting to it, although it usually took a couple of days back ashore before you could get used to the total quiet at night.

Disturbances like this can exacerbate insomnia, of course, and if you're finding it hard to sleep every last noise can seem like a hammerblow, but the OP should really look for a cause elsewhere.
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Re: Legal to sleep in apartmet cave

We had something like this at our last place. A vibration "noise" coming on at 3am or so. The perceived noise would vary depending on where we were or whether we moved our heads. It was driving us crazy. Landlord would come by during the day and not be able to hear anything while there was then traffic noise etc. We lived above a bakery and traced it to their ventilation system. We had never had any problem in the years before. They refused to do anything and so did the building management so we had to move out. We used a frequency meter app on our phones and you could clearly see a spike at a particular frequency.



Our building we are in now has extractor fans on the roof which are usually not a problem during the day and are on a timer so they turn off at night. We have had it that the timer goes out of sync and then disturbs at night. There was one time when it also disturbed during the day but we complained and the landlord changed it because it was clearly worn out.



My friend's apartment had something changed in the heating system in the basement and now there's a vibration noise mostly noticeable in the bathroom. It doesn't disturb sleep so they didn't push it.



Or it could be for you that your neighbour has gone to the bathroom and left the light, and thus the extractor fan, on!


I wish you all the best. It can be a nightmare and as you've experienced already you don't get much sympathy.
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Vibrations could be a problem depending on how loud you snore.
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