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Old 03.02.2021, 17:50
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Advice on security deposit

Hi,
I know this has been asked many times but I would appreciate a direct answer if anyone knows.

From 2018/11/1->2019/08/31 I rented an apartment in Saas Fee 3906.
The deposit was 3750 chf

When leaving the apartment I made sure it was clean and took lots of pictures. There was no meaningful damage to anything.

I contacted the landlord shortly after completing my tenancy to talk about the deposit and mentioned all the things i knew about the property that could cause concern. He did not reply. I followed up my contact several times and he did not reply.

I went to the bank at 1 year after and asked the bank to release the deposit which they refused to do. The bank called the landlord then the bank told me that he said there was unpaid bills so they cannot release the money

For a further 4 months i continued to ask the bank to release the money but they continued to tell me the same story. I did not hear from the landlord.

Now after 16 months the landlord sends me an email bill for 2700 chf including Common area heating, maintenance and staff costs. Replaced furniture and a 600 chf cleaning bill. Bills are my responsibility, 110chf is in the rent to cover it. Common areas are not mentioned in the contract. Now 10 days later he is charging me interest, lol.

I recently registered with the mieterverband and they tell me i have to see a reconciliation board or something which i think is BS. He had every opportunity to deal with me at the correct time.

I no longer live in switzerland. They tell me someone must represent me physical in switzerland to sort it out.

Can anyone advise me? I think hes missed his chance and he can pursue me through the normal legal framework in europe if he wants to.

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Re: Advice on security deposit

Do you have a handover protocol from the time you moved in?
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Re: Advice on security deposit

Yes, when we moved in but not when I moved out. He didnt come to town to do one and I was not able to do one until later that year, at which time he would not respond to my emails.
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Re: Advice on security deposit

So what was agreed when you left?
Do you have anything in writting?

Has he sent you copies of the original invoices?
If yes, when are they dated?

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Re: Advice on security deposit

What do you expect to hear?

The Mieterverband told you already.

What may be missing is the information that, without a handover protocol when you left, your landlord is likely to have very poor standing before the arbitration board, but without someone contesting in your name he'll win anyway.

Instead of asking on here you should ask the Mieterverband to represent you.


And for everybody else reading this:
If you're not familiar with the country, you probably want to have them send someone to do the handover to avoid being had later on. Their hourly rates are very reasonable, and it'll help you avoid situations like this.
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I just don't understand how a tenant can give the keys back without an inspection and paperwork along with it. Pictures aren't going to be of any use unless there was a new tenant who immediately rented the apartment and they have an inspection report which is in line with the pictures.

Landlords can also send a representative if they cannot attend in person.

How were the keys returned?
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Re: Advice on security deposit

2700 chf including Common area heating, maintenance and staff costs. Replaced furniture and a 600 chf

Do you mean you have two bills for totaling 3300 CHF or is the 600 included in the bill?

I guess there is no way to escape your share of the heating for common areas.

I don't know what maintenance and staff costs are. Are they also for the common areas? Weren't you paying these costs as Nebenkosten each month? I know the Nebenkosten can be adjusted later but it should be within reason.

What furniture was replaced? Was the apartment furnished or is it some fixtures like the tooth brush holder? Were they pointed out during the handover?

Why the 600 CHF for cleaning? Had you not gotten the apartment cleaned before the handover? If you hadn't, 600 CHF is very reasonable. If you had already paid for the cleaning and they are charging extra, you should ask why it was not pointed out during the handover. If nothing was pointed out in a protocol during the handover, I am not sure if the landlord has ground to stand on.

I believe you will need to approach each item in the bill separately and see which are reasonable and which are not. Then you can contest the bill via a registered letter.

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2700 chf including Common area heating, maintenance and staff costs. Replaced furniture and a 600 chf

Do you mean you have two bills for totaling 3300 CHF or is the 600 included in the bill?

I guess there is no way to escape your share of the heating for common areas.

I don't know what maintenance and staff costs are. Are they also for the common areas? Weren't you paying these costs as Nebenkosten each month? I know the Nebenkosten can be adjusted later but it should be within reason.

What furniture was replaced? Was the apartment furnished or is it some fixtures like the tooth brush holder? Were they pointed out during the handover?

Why the 600 CHF for cleaning? Had you not gotten the apartment cleaned before the handover? If you hadn't, 600 CHF is very reasonable. If you had already paid for the cleaning and they are charging extra, you should ask why it was not pointed out during the handover. If nothing was pointed out in a protocol during the handover, I am not sure if the landlord has ground to stand on.

I believe you will need to approach each item in the bill separately and see which are reasonable and which are not. Then you can contest the bill via a registered letter.
It is possible that some of these costs could be related to the Nebenkosten but without seeing a rental agreement it is impossible to say. The rental period was less than a year and I am wondering if this was a holiday rental, and if it was furnished and included other services. Usually utilities are included in the rent or there is a fixed price. End cleaning may also have a fixed price and is often not the responsibility of the tenant to organize, but to pay for.

As I understand, there was no handover, so no inspection, no report. So where is the proof that the apartment was clean, and that there was no damage?

I already asked how the keys were returned but have yet to get an answer. Was there a concierge? Hauswart? Someone on site who accepted the keys?

No one can help the OP without the facts. Maybe this is a losing battle for the OP but we don't know.
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