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Old 17.02.2021, 18:29
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I have now found a suitable place in between work and home, and I'm putting tools, cabinets, parts, a car (or two) and a bike (or two) so I can have them sitting there and wrench whenever I need. It's in an industrial area, it's quite big and expensive for what I need it, but I'm partnering with friends so that it becomes bearable. During my search I could find dedicated places for rent where wrenching would be acceptable, in a 30min radius from Zurich city, and for anywhere between 500-1500 CHF depending on space and amenities (bathroom or not etc)
What have you been searching for, if you don't mind me asking? Is this already in the category of small industrial unit, or is it smaller than that?

A friend of a friend & some mates of his are storing some vintage vehicles in an abandoned factory and are doing some restoration work . The location is somewhere in deepest Solothurn. He says the rent is dirt cheap and there are oodles of space, including a kitchen, toilets, heating, and loads of storage space. And pretty much as secure as you can get because you need to pass through an active and guarded industrial facility to get there. But the down side is that the manager of the factory cannot guarantee how long he can stay there as he wants to redevelop or repurpose the site at some point.
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Old 17.02.2021, 18:35
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2. Unless you have a dedicated garage "box" you will always run the risk of a nosy neighbour.
Actually, I had a nosy neighbor that my other neighbors disliked, and he saw me wrenching and started chatting me up, old Swiss German dude who spoke fluent French so we switched from Italian to French early on.

He was a cool and interesting guy as it turned out.

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Old 18.02.2021, 13:57
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Re: Apartments with larger garages with power

Few potential options about half an hour from Zurich and if you can afford 4-5k plus per month in rent, will certainly save you taxes (assuming you aren‘t American).

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/3000874627
Has a washing machine and tumbler. Doesn‘t mention a garage, but the picture suggests there may be one, but the description says that there is a workshop for rent separately.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/3000862134
Doesn‘t mention a washing machine and tumbler, but at that price and size, I would be surprised if there isn‘t one or if not, the landlord wouldn‘t be prepared to put one in.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/3000776824
Own washing machine and tumbler and double garage

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/3000902314
House with double garage, but maybe above budget
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Old 18.02.2021, 14:22
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What have you been searching for, if you don't mind me asking? Is this already in the category of small industrial unit, or is it smaller than that?

A friend of a friend & some mates of his are storing some vintage vehicles in an abandoned factory and are doing some restoration work . The location is somewhere in deepest Solothurn. He says the rent is dirt cheap and there are oodles of space, including a kitchen, toilets, heating, and loads of storage space. And pretty much as secure as you can get because you need to pass through an active and guarded industrial facility to get there. But the down side is that the manager of the factory cannot guarantee how long he can stay there as he wants to redevelop or repurpose the site at some point.

I was looking for anything with space that could accommodate cars, tools, and minor work (no fabrication so no welding/machining etc). Went through barns, parking garages, actual workshops that were closing down etc. Finally found a warehouse with office/toilet/small kitchen in an industrial unit that the owner wanted to partially rent out. It was big and while reasonable on a per sq.m. basis, still expensive due to the size. We split it with friends and we have a spot to store, work on cars, and hang out, although still struggling to get tools as I can't even get quotes for cabinets and workbenches...
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Old 18.02.2021, 15:14
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Garages with power & possibly water was on my wish list when I bought in France last year. I ended up with 2 double garages, most of the other parking spaces are open. Drain outside the door is perfect for washing cars. Exactly under our apartment with each garage & 1 cave on different phases so easy to charge an electric car when I get one.
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I was looking for anything with space that could accommodate cars, tools, and minor work (no fabrication so no welding/machining etc). Went through barns, parking garages, actual workshops that were closing down etc. Finally found a warehouse with office/toilet/small kitchen in an industrial unit that the owner wanted to partially rent out. It was big and while reasonable on a per sq.m. basis, still expensive due to the size. We split it with friends and we have a spot to store, work on cars, and hang out, although still struggling to get tools as I can't even get quotes for cabinets and workbenches...

For workbenches: Get feet from BRW: https://www.brw.ch/en/workbench-trestle-futuro-543590, add plate from Jumbo, they often have wood benchtops on sale. You can build really robust workbench for little money.

For cabinets, things are much tougher (( Nothing beats Lista but they are expensive. Although sometimes you can find very nice deals on Ricardo. Still, several thousands of investment here, but you will have those cabinets forever and they have excellent resale value. Consider that a investment.

Tools, well, buying cheap tools is really expensive hobby, I advise to get quality tools, sometimes you can find those at liquidations (http://www.liq.ch for example).

I cannot imagine how to work on cars without oxy torch and mig welder. Oxy is my best friend to loose rusted bolts, I also have induction heater, it kicks ass when it works but sadly it has it's limits. Welding is essential for body work and exhausts.
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For workbenches: Get feet from BRW: https://www.brw.ch/en/workbench-trestle-futuro-543590, add plate from Jumbo, they often have wood benchtops on sale. You can build really robust workbench for little money.
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There used to be a cheaper non adjustable version in Obi for half the money, they were the perfect height for me. I just slapped some chipboard on top.

Edit, heres a cheaper again looking version from Hornbach. No idea if it's as steady as the ones I have. Can't find them on the Obi site.
https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Werkban...1/artikel.html
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There used to be a cheaper non adjustable version in Obi for half the money, they were the perfect height for me. I just slapped some chipboard on top.

Edit, heres a cheaper again looking version from Hornbach. No idea if it's as steady as the ones I have. Can't find them on the Obi site.
https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Werkban...1/artikel.html
I was looking for a bench about 8 years ago and Obi / Hornbach / Jumbo feet where made of considerably thinner sheet metal, Futuro was comparable with Lista. But maybe things have changed today.

In the end it all depends what you need it for, if this is a simple workbench then thinner feet will suffice. I have a ~250kg lathe, 100kg heavy drill press and a huge vice I routinely hammer on attached to one of those benches. It is bolted to concrete wall for additional vibration resistance.
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I was looking for a bench about 8 years ago and Obi / Hornbach / Jumbo feet where made of considerably thinner sheet metal, Futuro was comparable with Lista. But maybe things have changed today.
Yeah, the one I posted the picture of doesn't look right. The ones I have look closer to the Lista ones in galaxus just non adjustable. Heavier and wider flange on top, and the feet as well as the lower crossbar have bolt holes.

I'd be confident to put a lathe on top of it and do a jig. Problem is I'd either need to learn to dance a jig or make a jig for unknown purposes.
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Check ricardo.ch and autoscout.ch. Older vehicles bikes cars can be very cheap here, typically low mileage, never used much, highly spec'd, and LHD.

Used tools, lathes, mills, are cheap here too.

Central Zurich Double garages with power and water, usually warm go for up to 400chf per month. I would say get over here first, a great apartment smack near work, not too big, perfect for partner and kid, then comb the local area and bring the toys later, but within the first year. Being able to get home in 10 minutes is fantastic.

It can be a big culture shock for a new mum. The Swiss do really comfy apartments to make a nest in. Not being able to buy "normal" stuff can freak some people out but central locations have "normal" shops.

1000chf per month might get you an out of town space for 10 cars plus bikes with 3 phase power included.
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They exist, but other than viewing them in person there's not been a reliable way to tell what it is.

Older builds seem to be more likely to have the old separate garages, newer builds seem more likely to have the inbuilt washing machines. YMMV.
But 70s garages are often tiny.

Compare the width of a Mk1 Golf with that of a 2021 Touareg...
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For workbenches: Get feet from BRW: https://www.brw.ch/en/workbench-trestle-futuro-543590, add plate from Jumbo, they often have wood benchtops on sale. You can build really robust workbench for little money.

For cabinets, things are much tougher (( Nothing beats Lista but they are expensive. Although sometimes you can find very nice deals on Ricardo. Still, several thousands of investment here, but you will have those cabinets forever and they have excellent resale value. Consider that a investment.

Tools, well, buying cheap tools is really expensive hobby, I advise to get quality tools, sometimes you can find those at liquidations (http://www.liq.ch for example).

I cannot imagine how to work on cars without oxy torch and mig welder. Oxy is my best friend to loose rusted bolts, I also have induction heater, it kicks ass when it works but sadly it has it's limits. Welding is essential for body work and exhausts.

For cabinets I was trying to avoid Sonic as they're pushing a lot on influencer marketing and thought to go "local" and get some Kraftwerk cabinets as they have a nice configurator. I also added some non-critical tools (read: stuff that don't touch bolts) and requested a quote only to get NADA for about a month now.

I wouldn't mind spend the money on nice stuff, it was kind of my gift to myself for 2021 after a very stressful 2020. But apparently Kraftwerk is not interested in my business so I'll have to look elsewhere...

For tools I'm thinking EVA foam inserts from Facom, Stahlwille, and maybe Wera as they have some funky stuff I'd like to try.

Lifts is another story, and honestly I've barely had time to put together a proper list of tools so I think I'll be lucky if I manage to research and decide on one by summer...
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