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Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

Been asking questions in the EF about Life in Stans, NW and had some good insights and help.

The idea of moving to Lachen, on the other Hand, came back somehow, but we are having some fears which not sure are correct.

Lcoals keep saying that Kanton Schwyz is known to be the "Right Wing, not so friendly to Foreigners, conservative, ect".

What do you think ? Any Families here living there ?

Main concern is with Schools, we will need 2nd & 4th Grade, how about Gymnasium ? I understand it is in Paffikon, how is the population there? This area is totally new to us and find it hard to find this info.

Any thoughts would be great, thanks as always.
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Been asking questions in the EF about Life in Stans, NW and had some good insights and help.

The idea of moving to Lachen, on the other Hand, came back somehow, but we are having some fears which not sure are correct.

Lcoals keep saying that Kanton Schwyz is known to be the "Right Wing, not so friendly to Foreigners, conservative, ect".

What do you think ? Any Families here living there ?

Main concern is with Schools, we will need 2nd & 4th Grade, how about Gymnasium ? I understand it is in Paffikon, how is the population there? This area is totally new to us and find it hard to find this info.

Any thoughts would be great, thanks as always.
Right wing, sounds like a paradise to me.
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Old 22.02.2021, 18:19
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Re: Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

We live in Lachen, with kids in local school (Primar and Sek1).

I like the place a lot, it has this little town feeling with the marina and a nice but small center around it (and hardly any car traffic). Reasonable restaurants, if they ever open again. Lachen has 30% foreigners and within SZ is one of the more liberal places. Compared to many other places on that side of the lake, very good in terms of sunshine as it is a bit farther from the hillside into the lake. Great sunsets and a great Badi. Three trains to Zuri HB per hour, night train also stops here. Taxes are a tiny bit above Wollerau and Freienbach (Pfaeffikon), but the place is so much better in my view.
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Right wing, sounds like a paradise to me.
For you, it is Unteriberg then.
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Re: Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

Bumping this for you.

Schwyz is a "special" place. But Lachen is in Bezirk March. March and Höfe is the area around the lake of Zurich. It's also the area with the cheapest taxes and hence very differenct to other areas in Canton Schwyz.

Can't help you with schooling. But there are several members who live in the area. Maybe they can help you better.
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Re: Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

Very pretty- but so traditional and very old fashioned views on so many things, and far too Catholic for me. If you look at voting there over the years, you will see exactly what I mean.
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Bumping this for you.

Schwyz is a "special" place. But Lachen is in Bezirk March. March and Höfe is the area around the lake of Zurich. It's also the area with the cheapest taxes and hence very differenct to other areas in Canton Schwyz.

Can't help you with schooling. But there are several members who live in the area. Maybe they can help you better.
We only tar and feather foreigners living in rural areas. Anything along the Lake of Zurich is off limits
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Very pretty- but so traditional and very old fashioned views on so many things, and far too Catholic for me. If you look at voting there over the years, you will see exactly what I mean.
And if you look at your tax bill over the years, you will see exactly why I like SZ

On schools: Public school here is fine, but they see occasionally teachers bounce for ZH as there the salaries are better. Gymnasium would be in Pfaeffikon or Nuolen, fairly nearby. Note that as far as I know, there is no "early gymnasium" (from 6th grade) in a public school, so you would have to put your kids into private school if you want this. Or just have them attend Sekundarschule in Lachen. From 8th or 9th grade on, it is again Gymi at public school free of charge if they manage the admission test.
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Old 22.02.2021, 18:54
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Re: Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

As the OP seems to understand German, here a (very old) article in NZZ on the Schwyz mentality which I still find quite fitting.


Die konservativste Ecke der Schweiz

«Nein-Sager»-Kanton, so nennt man ihn auch. Alteingesessene Konservative und neu zugezogene Neoliberale bilden im Kanton Schwyz eine starke, staatskritische Macht. Ein wenig weltoffener ist der Kanon aber doch geworden.

Erich Aschwanden, Schwyz
24.02.2014, 12.08 Uhr

Schwyz ist der «Nein-Sager»-Kanton der Nation. Das ist keine Behauptung, sondern dies schrieb das Bundesamt für Statistik nach der Abstimmung über die bilateralen Abkommen mit der EU im Mai 2000. Die damalige Aufstellung zeigt, dass bei den eidgenössischen Volksabstimmungen seit 1871 der Kanton Schwyz vor den Wallisern am häufigsten Nein gesagt hat. Insofern ist fast erstaunlich, dass die Initiative gegen die Masseneinwanderung am 9. Februar in den Kantonen Tessin und Appenzell Innerrhoden auf noch mehr Zuspruch stiess als am Fusse der Mythen, wo sie mit 63,1 Prozent angenommen wurde. Doch Schwyz wäre nicht Schwyz, wenn konservative Hochburgen im inneren Kantonsteil wie Unteriberg, Alpthal oder Vorderthal nicht Mehrheiten zwischen 85,4 und 87,7 Prozent geliefert hätten.

Ausserschwyz ist nicht Zürich

Man könnte also versucht sein, von Courant normal zu reden. Schon eher überrascht, dass auch die Ausserschwyzer Gemeinden am oberen Zürichsee einer Öffnung gegenüber Europa eine Absage erteilten. In Wollerau, Freienbach oder Feusisberg wurde die Initiative mit Mehrheiten von 56,4 bis 60,2 Prozent angenommen. Noch erstaunlicher ist allerdings, dass das SVP-Volksbegehren unmittelbar jenseits der Kantonsgrenze im zürcherischen Richterswil und Wädenswil ziemlich deutlich abgelehnt wurde. Von der wirtschaftlichen Struktur her unterscheiden sich diese Gebiete ja nicht sehr stark.

Wird also jemand automatisch zum Nein-Sager, wenn er im Kanton Schwyz Wohnsitz nimmt? Es sei umgekehrt, meint Michael Hermann. «Es ziehen Menschen in den Kanton, denen tiefe Steuern ein Anliegen sind. Diese prägen mit ihrer staatskritischen Haltung das zunehmend neoliberale Profil des Kantons», sagt der Politologe. Als langjähriger Beobachter der Schwyzer Politlandschaft drückt es der frühere CVP-Generalsekretär Iwan Rickenbacher so aus: «Diese Leute kommen in den Kanton Schwyz, weil er so ist, wie er ist.» Hier fänden sie vor den Toren Zürichs neben tiefen Steuern, Privatschulen und Naherholungsgebieten andere Vorzüge.

«Die Neuzuzüger haben Schwyz städtischer gemacht»

Doch der massive gesellschaftliche Wandel in Ausserschwyz, aber auch in anderen Bezirken wie etwa Küssnacht oder Einsiedeln ist nicht ohne Folgen geblieben. Vor 22 Jahren lehnte der Kanton Schwyz den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum (EWR) noch mit 73,3 Prozent Nein-Stimmen ab. Auf den durchaus beträchtlichen Unterschied von mehr als 10 Prozent zur Masseneinwanderungsinitiative hat SP-Fraktions-Chef Andy Tschümperlin den Bundesrat bei den Von-Wattenwyl-Gesprächen ausdrücklich aufmerksam gemacht. Ein wenig weltoffener ist der Kanton also geworden. «Die Neuzuzüger haben Schwyz städtischer gemacht», konstatiert der einzige Schwyzer Sozialdemokrat im nationalen Parlament. Er stellt dies auch in Einsiedeln fest, wo die SP seit einigen Jahren überproportional wächst.

Doch die meisten Zuzüger wählen nicht links, sondern rechts. Die tiefen Steuersätze haben vor allem Leute in den Kanton gelockt, die dem Staat möglichst wenig abgeben wollen und allgemein von staatlichen Eingriffen wenig bis gar nichts halten. Diese Einstellung passt bestens zur historisch begründeten obrigkeitsfeindlichen Haltung der Schwyzer «Urbevölkerung». Hier hat man noch nie viel von Autoritäten gehalten, egal, ob diese im Rathaus Schwyz, im Bundeshaus oder in der Brüsseler EU-Zentrale hocken. «Die Tatsache, dass im Kanton Schwyz der städtische Pol im ländlich geprägten Raum fehlt, hat möglicherweise dazu geführt, dass die Kantons- und Bundesbehörden zum eigentlichen Gegenpart geworden sind», schreibt Rickenbacher in der «Geschichte des Kantons Schwyz».

Die Kumulation von wertkonservativ begründeter Skepsis gegen den Staat und neoliberal begründeter «Weniger-Staat-Ideologie» hat der SVP seit 1990 zu einem phänomenalen Aufschwung verholfen. Dies auf Kosten der ehemaligen Mehrheitspartei CVP, die bis anhin im inneren Kantonsteil als Gralshüterin konservativer Werte galt. Im Zuge dieser Verschiebungen sind auch die Freisinnigen nach rechts gerutscht. So fasste die FDP Schwyz die Nein-Parole zur Eisenbahnfinanzierung (Fabi), und die Mehrheit der Stimmenden folgte ihr am vergangenen 9. Februar.

In der Steuerfalle

Manchmal hat man das Gefühl, es habe hier eine Art urschweizerische Form der Tea-Party-Bewegung das Sagen. Am stärksten schlägt sich dies bei der Steuerpolitik nieder. So schöpft der Kanton Schwyz das vorhandene steuerliche Potenzial nur zu 12,7 Prozent aus. Das ist weniger als die Hälfte des nationalen Mittels von 26,7 Prozent. Rekordtief ist auch der Wert bei der Dividendenbesteuerung mit einem Rabatt von 75 Prozent. Der Bund und die meisten Kantone belassen es bei 40 Prozent.

Etwas polemisch gesagt: Schwyz lockt gute Steuerzahler an, lässt diese dann aber weitgehend ungeschoren. Im Vergleich mit den anderen Kantonen ist Schwyz immer ressourcenstärker geworden und bezahlt Jahr für Jahr mehr in den nationalen Finanzausgleich, was denn auch von der Regierung wiederholt laut beklagt wird. Nun will die Regierung leicht Gegensteuer geben und plant eine Revision des Steuerrechts, die 60 Millionen Franken Mehreinnahmen bringen soll, mit der aber die Steuerattraktivität gewahrt werden soll. Im Mai kommt die Vorlage ins Kantonsparlament. Aufgrund langjähriger Tradition und der Entwicklung der letzten Jahre ist nicht ganz auszuschliessen, dass die Mehrheit dazu Nein sagt.
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Re: Thoughts about Kanton Schwyz

When people talk about low taxes in SZ, be aware that it really is only Höfe that is very low tax. The Höfe Gemeinden vie with ZG for lowest rates in Switzerland. While still low in comparision to other places in Switzerland, tax rates in the March villages are a big-ish step up, income dependent.

The rest of Schwyz is not particularly low tax.
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When people talk about low taxes in SZ, be aware that it really is only Höfe that is very low tax. The Höfe Gemeinden vie with ZG for lowest rates in Switzerland. While still low in comparision to other places in Switzerland, tax rates in the March villages are a big-ish step up, income dependent.

The rest of Schwyz is not particularly low tax.
I don't think Lachen is a big-ish step up from Höfe. But maybe I am not rich enough.

The more important question to OP is what your job situation is. If you first consider Stans and now Lachen, you are either setting up for one big commute or are working from home? Lachen (or anything else here along the lake) of course is quite convenient for work in Zurich.
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And one more thought: SZ may be conservative, and possibly the most conservative of the 4 "Urkantone" - but NW is also one of the four and I doubt it is much less conservative.
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Right wing, sounds like a paradise to me.
The way I understood it, People mean that in this Kanton there is not much open minded and acceptance of foreigners.
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I am now located in Brunnen 6440, I have been welcome.
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Brunnen is lovely as is Küssnacht. In fact, in most places you'll be welcome. Small farm towns are the toughest due to their SVP mentality.
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Brunnen is lovely as is Küssnacht. In fact, in most places you'll be welcome. Small farm towns are the toughest due to their SVP mentality.
I found crossing borders was easier with an SVP slogan Auslander Aus on my windscreen. I always got waved through, without I got asked questions 1 in 4 crossings. My German at the time was A0/1, I found it highly amusing
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I found crossing borders was easier with an SVP slogan Auslander Aus on my windscreen. I always got waved through, without I got asked questions 1 in 4 crossings. My German at the time was A0/1, I found it highly amusing
I'm sure you were quite exotic in the 70s.
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I'm sure you were quite exotic in the 70s.
Underage for most of it, whatever floats your boat
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Brunnen is lovely as is Küssnacht. In fact, in most places you'll be welcome. Small farm towns are the toughest due to their SVP mentality.
I am friends with lots of local farmers.

The guy who married us has 15,000 chickens!

(he was the mayor at the time, takes his daughter to school on his motorcycle, and has a pony-tail)

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I bet he's in his fifties
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