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it wasn't empty, all the furniture and home appliances from the previous tenant were there, and I bought them.
Legally, it was empty, and that is all that matters.

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Legally, it was empty, and that is all that matters.
Quite so, and as has already been stated by several posters, the management company are simply expecting the OP to abide by the rules created by the contract they signed.

While I can see that it makes things awkward, I can't get my head round the sort of person that makes such a public and vocal complaint about a situation that they've willingly put themselves into, and seems to think that it's the other party being unreasonable simply because they're being asked to abide by said contract.

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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

The problem is that you are trying to simplify things for yourself. From owner/regie perspective your simplified solution might be completely opposite


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Well I am not complicating things but trying to simplify it. Before CH I always lived in furnished apartments and never bother to change or assemble the furniture. This was why I have bought the furnitures etc from previous tenant, to save my time and her time. I have almost never assembled/disassembled anything myself.
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Old 17.03.2021, 19:19
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The problem is that you are trying to simplify things for yourself. From owner/regie perspective your simplified solution might be completely opposite

Good point


You either rent a furnished apartment or an unfurnished one (and take over some stuff from the previous person maybe). But for a landlord it is one or the other, no change because someone can´t get rid of their stuff from an unfurnished apartment.
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Old 17.03.2021, 20:07
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I have no idea if people will come and take the big sofa for example and how they transport it. and I wouldn't even take it myself if someone offered it to me for free.
If that's the situation, the word you're looking for is décheteire. Albeit, in the politically correct Genève they call it espace de récupération https://www.ge.ch/espaces-recuperati...peration-esrec
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You're kidding, right? We've got IKEA bookcases that are 30 odd years old and are fine.
Yes, as I said cupboards and also shelves last for ever. Ours are 20 years old. I was thinking more of consumables, such as sofa's, covered chairs etc.
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

Thanks for the additional info guys, interesting reading for me.



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Quite so, and as has already been stated by several posters, the management company are simply expecting the OP to abide by the rules created by the contract they signed.

While I can see that it makes things awkward, I can't get my head round the sort of person that makes such a public and vocal complaint about a situation that they've willingly put themselves into, and seems to think that it's the other party being unreasonable simply because they're being asked to abide by said contract.

Is it Friday yet, by any chance?
Thanks for your blunt feedback, but my original post was merely asking for advice, not a post of complaint.

Also the negative reputation you gave to me with my last thread was not fair because I did mention in my original post "PROVISIONS for charges" several times and you still wrote "Adding detail later on, as if everyone should have known." with the red dots reputation The detail was already in my intial post.
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Old 18.03.2021, 19:08
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Thanks for the additional info guys, interesting reading for me.





Thanks for your blunt feedback, but my original post was merely asking for advice, not a post of complaint.

Also the negative reputation you gave to me with my last thread was not fair because I did mention in my original post "PROVISIONS for charges" several times and you still wrote "Adding detail later on, as if everyone should have known." with the red dots reputation The detail was already in my intial post.
Uhm, mentioning rep comments is not allowed? Forum rules, have a look?
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

Hi, I have a question about how to propose them to neighbours.
I talked with a few neighbors and realized that there is little chance that someone who already lives here since a while to be interested in my furnitures, the apartments here are quite small and people don't have enough space. So my hope was only the newly arrived or the ones who will move in soon.

I first asked the regie if they could tell me the names of the tenants who will move in April. the employee refused saying it was confidential. I then asked if she could inform the new arrivals that I will move out and give away furnitures and give them my Email address/phone number and she said "we regret to inform that we don't offer this kind of service".

Is the regie's approach normal? I am surprised that they don't even want to transfer the info to new tenants as it takes them a few minutes and could make everyone happy..


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Whilst i have heard of the 'you take my stuff' thing happening, as others have said it has nothing to do with the owner or real estate agent. And very often, as you are discovering, is in the favour of the person leaving more than the new one arriving.

There are many reasons why the landlord may not want to take your offer of another tenant...
- they want the place to be fully clean on the handover
- they have someone else already lined up to take the flat
- they want to increase the rent
- they want to do substantial renovations
- they want to move in themselves...

None of these things are in your control. As others have said, you need to take responsiblity for your stuff, and start getting rid of it now...

Most people seem to want to avoid taking things to the rubbish bin and paying to get rid of it, but our local waste transfer station is very when we bring our own stuff - it costs a lot if you need to pay for someone else to take it away.

Identify what you don't want, list it immediately as others have said - on EF, Tutti, Ricardo or Facebook marketplace, and get rid of it that way... or take responsibility for your 'stuff' and take it with you.



Oh, one more idea, which I have not seen done but I would do myself when moving... put the pictures on a piece of paper with your phone number or email address, and drop it into your neighbour's letter boxes.... they may be very happy to take stuff for free/cheaply if they know they just need to carry it from one flat to the other. - when we moved from our previous apartment, which was a demolition building, the little-old-swiss-lady downstairs, who was also moving out, knocked on our door and asked if we wanted anything - as we were also moving and had a big truck arranged, it was easy for us to add a few things from her place to our moving - we scored a whole bedroom set and kitchen table and 'nook' this way - they were not pretty or valuable ('vintage' 1980's melamine and pine) but they were free and functional and lasted another 5-10 years before we gradually replaced them...

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Hi, I have a question about how to propose them to neighbours.
I talked with a few neighbors and realized that there is little chance that someone who already lives there since a while could be interested in my furnitures, the apartments here are quite small and people don't have enough space. So my hope was only the newly arrived or the ones who will move in soon.

I first asked the regie if they could tell me the names of the tenants who will move in April. the employee refused saying it was confidential. I then asked in that case could you tell them that I am moving out and am giving away my furnitures and you could put us in contact by giving them my Email address/phone number and I received a reply like "we regret to inform that we don't offer this kind of service".

Is the regie's approach normal? I am surprised that they don't even want to transfer the info to new tenants as it takes them a few minutes and could make everyone happy..
you're taking the wrong approach: expecting somebody else to do work to help you out. you need to get rid of the furniture yourself without the help of the regie (they are not a furniture selling agent) OR if you are unable, they will hire another firm to empty the apartment for you (at your expense).
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you're taking the wrong approach: expecting somebody else to do work to help you out. you need to get rid of the furniture yourself without the help of the regie (they are not a furniture selling agent) OR if you are unable, they will hire another firm to empty the apartment for you (at your expense).
Thanks for your reply, "Swisspea" suggested me to reach out to my neighbors to offer my furniture and I am trying to achieve this as I find it's a good idea. But how could I know who will move in or who recently moved in without regie giving me this info? In our builiding there is not even a bulletin board for tenants, I asked the cleaning guy and he told me that I can't post an advertisements in the building because the regie doesn't like it. So my only way to reach out to neighbors is to print 60 pages of advertisements(there are 60 mailboxes) and put in their mailboxes, knowing that 90% of them would not be interested in it? (because they lived here since long time)
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Put everything for free on Tutti, pick up only.
Alternatively, you can do the same on EF.
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

I knew someone in a similar furniture situation. They listed their items for free on anibis, and, after no takers, they found a local charity who agreed to take the items. The charity came with their own crew and van a few days later to pick up the items... It could be a "last resort" option if it comes down to the wire for you.

Best of luck with your move, and I hope your new place has a larger elevator
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I've learned that, in life, there are some who choose to go through the game in 'difficult' mode.
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Otherwise, a sledge hammer (protecting the floor) and take out in pieces- hire a van if you have a valid licence to drive, or man with a van- and off to décheterie.
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

@OP,


You're the owner of the furniture so it's your responsibility to vacate the apartment and leave it empty as it probably was before the tenant before you moved in. I guess they rent it as "unfurnished apartment" usually.

I know you'd expect people to come around and cooperate, but sometimes this is just not their priority.

Try to sell or give the furniture for free, and if nothing works you can hire a company that will take all your unwanted stuff and do the rest of the job for you. Sometimes you can even gain something if you have quality stuff and they think it's resellable.


As for charity and vans. Usually they have high standards (believe it or not) and won't accept just everything and anything. Besides I think you'll still have to pay for the transport.
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

For 2000chf I'lll offer to take care of it all for you....


If printing a little sheet with 'I have stuff available as I am moving out' and a link to a place where you listed everything online , is too hard, then you must have money to pay someone else to solve your problem



Everyone here has confirmed that what your landlord/real estate agent has done is absolutely normal, and you are responsible for emptying the apartment and cleaning it before you move out...


The more time you waste arguing here, the fewer days you have to list your stuff on line and hopefully get rid of it for free. I assume you also need to pay someone to move your stuff to the new place ?
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For 2000chf I'lll offer to take care of it all for you....


If printing a little sheet with 'I have stuff available as I am moving out' and a link to a place where you listed everything online , is too hard, then you must have money to pay someone else to solve your problem



Everyone here has confirmed that what your landlord/real estate agent has done is absolutely normal, and you are responsible for emptying the apartment and cleaning it before you move out...


The more time you waste arguing here, the fewer days you have to list your stuff on line and hopefully get rid of it for free. I assume you also need to pay someone to move your stuff to the new place ?
I assume OP is still fixated on the idea that he found new tenants willing to take the apartment as it is (with his furniture) and can't see beyond his little bubble.



It can happen to all of us. But yes, you're spot on: the more time he pays to finding solutions for things he cannot change, the less time he has to actually do some damage control here.
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For 2000chf I'lll offer to take care of it all for you....


If printing a little sheet with 'I have stuff available as I am moving out' and a link to a place where you listed everything online , is too hard, then you must have money to pay someone else to solve your problem



Everyone here has confirmed that what your landlord/real estate agent has done is absolutely normal, and you are responsible for emptying the apartment and cleaning it before you move out...


The more time you waste arguing here, the fewer days you have to list your stuff on line and hopefully get rid of it for free. I assume you also need to pay someone to move your stuff to the new place ?
OP is currently discussing if the landlord should pay the 2000 CHF.
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Re: regie refuses to consider the candidates I submitted&force me to empty the apartm

try to contact the owner. his name should be on your contract.
If not try asking the local authority.
If it's a private person (not an insurance company/pension fund etc) he might be happy to get good applicants without the agency
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