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Mr.Maquiavelo 25.03.2021 10:42

Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
I have jumped into the environmental friendly wagon of switching from diesel to hybrid and electric cars. I have then asked the apartment administration whether they have a solution to allow charging the car in the parking place either the fast charging or slow charging that is billed to my apartment and not to the whole building.

The car vendor has a fast charging adapter that costs about 700.-Sfr and the sales guy says it can be installed all in for about 1k Sfr.

The apartment administration however is asking for 2500.-Sfr or more to do the installation and provide the fast charging facility for us. Consider that the parking spots here cost already too much 150.-Sfr per month.

Two questions: is the apartment administration trying to rip us off? and why would the tenants have to bear the costs of a permanent building installation to adapt to the new energy efficient trends?

My first reaction was to ask the apartment administration to get a quotation from a different electric firm but they have not accepted (my rip off alert went off). Since the car is hybrid I could not care less, I will just fill the tank with gasoline and charge it for free in the shopping centers around ...

Any feedback or related experiences?

JackieH 25.03.2021 10:54

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
Interesting question.

Axa 25.03.2021 12:02

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3289577)
Two questions: is the apartment administration trying to rip us off? and why would the tenants have to bear the costs of a permanent building installation to adapt to the new energy efficient trends?

Rip-off? A matter of offer and demand. Considering people rent apartments even without a parking place, there business case to install a charger does not exist today and not in the future. You need the charger, not them, that's why you pay.

But...some new buildings in finished in the last couple years do have chargers. Why? A few extra cables are 0.001% (back of napkin estimate) of the total development budget. Consider moving to one of these new building.

Why no other company to make the install? Probably liability. If the admins bring another company to install the chargers, the company that made the original installation will tell they're no longer responsible for anything.

Personally, I think 2'500 is in the range of 1 month of rent. It shouldn't be that hard for them to make their apartment building stand out with electric chargers. But, offer and demand. If they don't need to invest 2'500 to rent the apartment, why?

NickGB 25.03.2021 12:14

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No direct experience, however, you are not that far apart, financially. I would let them do it and then they are responsible for the installation and it's upkeep.

Mr.Maquiavelo 25.03.2021 12:15

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3289616)
But, offer and demand. If they don't need to invest 2'500 to rent the apartment, why?

Very good points. Indeed you're right. A cost effective solution => a portable battery I can charge at home (billed to my apartment only), then bring it to the parking place and charge the car. I will be asking the car sales representative if such solution exists.

I was even thinking whether the Goverment would help fund such installation initiatives for buildings without the provisions in the spirit of clean energy and sustainability.

meloncollie 25.03.2021 12:30

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Here are some threads discussing the cost of installing electric charging stations in garages, one in a new build, others in older garages:

https://www.englishforum.ch/housing-...-charging.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...-who-pays.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...tric-cars.html

As my posts show, installing electric charging stations in older garages can bring up a plethora of issues and costs.

Our Quartier - a mix of single family homes, duplexes, and two four-flats - share a common underground garage. Installing electric chargers is proving to be complicated and expensive. Our early estimates of 3-10K per owner is looking to run towards the hgher end. We've each had to kick in1.5K so far just to fund a feasibility study. We are guessing we are years away from a solution.

Your 2.5K for the whole thing is looking like a good price.

One issue we face is the amount of power required to charge 50-some cars. Or even half that, assuming each owner only charges one of their cars at a time. The current electric system can only take 5 or so cars at a time, so we either need to build what essentially would be our own power substation (for which permits are unlikely to be forthcoming) or to come up with some sort of charging rota - shades of the shared laundry room horrors we all thought we had left behind when buying our own homes, and would mean our cars might not be useable for much of the time.

Yes, a charging station is cheap if you have an installation for a single car - that is, a stand alone garage that is entirely yours. Add in other cars or communal usage, and it starts to snowball.

Our home owners' association is at an impasse at present - given current regs, power supply, garage structure it looks like at present it is almost not feasible to install chargers for our common garage.

Yet electric is the future. An infrastructure out trade.

So my 2P:

If you can get a charger installed in your garage, never mind the cost, just get it while you can.

robBob 25.03.2021 12:38

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
Wait a few years. We'll all be driving fuel cells by then.;)

Axa 25.03.2021 12:40

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3289620)
Very good points. Indeed you're right. A cost effective solution => a portable battery I can charge at home (billed to my apartment only), then bring it to the parking place and charge the car. I will be asking the car sales representative if such solution exists.

I was even thinking whether the Goverment would help fund such installation initiatives for buildings without the provisions in the spirit of clean energy and sustainability.

This is from a year ago. Real estate management companies say no demand for chargers, we don't advise property owners to invest on them.
https://www.blick.ch/wirtschaft/elek...d15682188.html

If the car is hybrid, a 220V outlet should be enough to fill the battery overnight. No need for a dedicated higher capacity charger.

Axa 25.03.2021 12:40

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3289629)
Wait a few years. We'll all be driving fuel cells by then.;)

Or a Porsche running on synthetic carbon neutral gas =)

st2lemans 25.03.2021 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3289620)
A cost effective solution => a portable battery I can charge at home (billed to my apartment only), then bring it to the parking place and charge the car. I will be asking the car sales representative if such solution exists.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Tom

Ato 25.03.2021 12:51

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
See if there's space for a diesel generator, one with a tow bar.

AbFab 25.03.2021 18:16

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
Forget batteries for charging.

Domestic 220volt socket in your garage will get you up to 11kms per hour charging.

Tesla Wall Connector using 3 phase will get you 66 kms per hour.

I was charged CHF1900 for installing and connecting it. The Wall Charger is CHF520 ish extra.

Forget hybrid, it has no environment advantage. Either charging or worse still so-called „self charging“, which just burn fuel.

Fuel cells are not going to happen, certainly for private cars...

st2lemans 25.03.2021 18:19

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 3289788)
Forget batteries for charging.

Domestic 220volt socket in your garage will get you up to 11kms per hour charging.

Tesla Wall Connector using 3 phase will get you 66 kms per hour.

This.

A mini nuclear reactor could be the perfect solution, however. ;)

Tom

Castro 25.03.2021 18:35

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Think about your usage and whether you really need a home charge point. If you only do a couple of hundred km a week then its entirely possible to get away with charging at supermarkets, highway services etc..

I did the same analysis as I was considering a Tesla Model 3, knowing that I wouldn't be able to charge at home. In the end I didn't go for it, but it wasn't due to charging at home. I knew I could get a free charge at work or at any one of the dozens of other places I frequently visit.

P.S The Tesla model 3 battery weighs 480 kg, even if your portable only weighed 100kg you're not going to give it much juice ;)

Axa 25.03.2021 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 3289788)
Forget hybrid, it has no environment advantage. Either charging or worse still so-called „self charging“, which just burn fuel.

Why? We live in small Switzerland. Plug in hybrids with 50km electric range are more than enough for daily errands. Possible to drive entirely on electricity from Monday to Friday and burn gas only on a longer weekend drive.

smashe 25.03.2021 23:44

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3289814)
Why? We live in small Switzerland. Plug in hybrids with 50km electric range are more than enough for daily errands. Possible to drive entirely on electricity from Monday to Friday and burn gas only on a longer weekend drive.


agreed, got a plug-in hybrid with charging station in tiefgarage - 80% of 5000 km made was on electric only


i would say you need a charging station in the tiefgarage even more for plug-in hybrids than pure electric, because the battery is small you need to charge often, a tesla you can charge at work or at X place and get 400 km range, you can do 3x charge / month and get 1000km range

st2lemans 26.03.2021 07:14

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3289814)
We live in small Switzerland. Plug in hybrids with 50km electric range are more than enough for daily errands.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I wouldn't get to work and back on that!

Tom

EPMike 26.03.2021 08:18

Re: Apartment parking charge station for hybrid / electric cars .. who pays?
 
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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3289897)
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I wouldn't get to work and back on that!

Tom

A PHEV is not for everyone. You need a use case for it.

Axa 26.03.2021 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3289897)
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I wouldn't get to work and back on that!

Tom

What kind of job where 220V outlets are not available?

st2lemans 26.03.2021 10:06

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3289932)
What kind of job where 220V outlets are not available?

Have them at work, but NOT at home. ;)

Tom


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