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final cleaning- how to avoid unreasonable charges

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So I cleaned my studio myself, but I couldn't clean the oven perfectly. The agency said it needs to be cleaned by professional cleaners and I accepted. They only spent one hour cleaning the stove, oven, and trash can, and I was charged CHF 220. Is it a reasonable price? Do you have any recommendations on which products I can use myself?
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Hello everyone,

So I cleaned my studio myself, but I couldn't clean the oven perfectly. The agency said it needs to be cleaned by professional cleaners and I accepted. They only spent one hour cleaning the stove, oven, and trash can, and I was charged CHF 220. Is it a reasonable price? Do you have any recommendations on which products I can use myself?
https://www.vergleiche.ch/testberich.../#review-table

I used Flup with good results.
Before please check wether your oven has a selfcleaning option.

Also use a sponge made for sensitive materials to avoid scratching the interior (can be bought at any supermarket)

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Hello everyone,

So I cleaned my studio myself, but I couldn't clean the oven perfectly. The agency said it needs to be cleaned by professional cleaners and I accepted. They only spent one hour cleaning the stove, oven, and trash can, and I was charged CHF 220. Is it a reasonable price? Do you have any recommendations on which products I can use myself?
A paste of baking soda ( not baking powder ) works wonders.
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Old 01.04.2021, 10:57
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Hello everyone,

So I cleaned my studio myself, but I couldn't clean the oven perfectly. The agency said it needs to be cleaned by professional cleaners and I accepted. They only spent one hour cleaning the stove, oven, and trash can, and I was charged CHF 220. Is it a reasonable price? Do you have any recommendations on which products I can use myself?
I'm not sure what you're asking.

Is that a reasonable charge - no, I would say not, but it's too late now.

If the cleaning is done, why do you need a recommendation for products?
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Re: final cleaning- how to avoid unreasonable charges

I've spent 400 CHF to deep clean an entire 1-bedroom + Livingroom + Kitchen + Bathroom apartment in Geneva including the painter to fix small stains on the walls... So 220 for just a oven is too much.
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Re: final cleaning- how to avoid unreasonable charges

I'd say it's reasonable, they had to come out for a one hour job. No point in arguing with it now. In the future make sure you get a quote beforehand.

I suppose the recommendations for how to clean the oven could be helpful for the next time.
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I'm not sure what you're asking.

Is that a reasonable charge - no, I would say not, but it's too late now.

If the cleaning is done, why do you need a recommendation for products?
I don't know .... if OP didn't get stove, oven and trash can clean, it must have looked revolting.

As for the future: It's not so much the product but the regular cleaning of these things that does the trick.
What I do use as prevention is this. Even in my self-cleaning oven.
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I've spent 400 CHF to deep clean an entire 1-bedroom + Livingroom + Kitchen + Bathroom apartment in Geneva including the painter to fix small stains on the walls... So 220 for just a oven is too much.
Do you know if we hire Batmaid, is it possible to let them to take care of "empty the apartment" (for those small widgets like the thing on which to hang curtain) and fill the holes on the wall? I haven't changed the situation in the apartment at all and these things were done by the previous tenant, not sure if I am suppsoed to repair them...
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Do you know if we hire Batmaid, is it possible to let them to take care of "empty the apartment" (for those small widgets like the thing on which to hang curtain) and fill the holes on the wall? I haven't changed the situation in the apartment at all and these things were done by the previous tenant, not sure if I am suppsoed to repair them...
That depends if you listed it on the notice of defects, notification de défauts in your canton, when you moved in.

Experience shows that EF-ers don't produce those lists, which should be sent in within 10 days (best on the the tenth day as there are lots of little things to find after moving into a place).
As you are moving from Geneva to Switzerland I suspect, Switzerland is the German part of this area we're living in?
It's called "Mängelrüge". You give it that title and list the things that are not correct. You can also mention which ones you insist should be fixed and which ones you will accept - yet not taking responsibility for when moving out.
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Re: final cleaning- how to avoid unreasonable charges

Before you do anything ask your regie/landlord who they recommend to do the final clean to their standards. Employ them, but ask for a guarantee.

Yes a bit of a mafia and will likely cost you more, but you are reasonably certain you will pass.
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I'm not sure what you're asking.

Is that a reasonable charge - no, I would say not, but it's too late now.

If the cleaning is done, why do you need a recommendation for products?
Because I moved to another studio and I want to avoid this when I move out in the future.

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Before you do anything ask your regie/landlord who they recommend to do the final clean to their standards. Employ them, but ask for a guarantee.

Yes a bit of a mafia and will likely cost you more, but you are reasonably certain you will pass.
I asked the agency to send someone they know for cleaning the oven, and two people were cleaning an oven which was surprising. I think one person would have been more than enough.

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I don't know .... if OP didn't get stove, oven and trash can clean, it must have looked revolting.

As for the future: It's not so much the product but the regular cleaning of these things that does the trick.
What I do use as prevention is this. Even in my self-cleaning oven.
Is it a normal aluminium foil or is it specific for ovens?

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Is it a normal aluminium foil or is it specific for ovens?
It's specified for ovens.
It's very helpful. I have a burnt spot on mine now even though I would swear nothing spilt over since I last replaced it. As it doesn't matter that it burns in on this foil there is no need to replace it yet either (while in the bare oven it would need immediate cleaning!).
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Re: final cleaning- how to avoid unreasonable charges

I use this thing, and it works wonders:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B015ET...v_ov_lig_dp_it
Maxxi Clean Oven and Grill Cleaner

I didn't put my pic in the review, but my results were aligned with those before/after pics you can see there among reviews.

Not to mention smell is ok, you don't need to evacuate whole flat for the night, but you DO need protective gear (long sleeves, gloves, protect eye and don't spill it, and avoid aluminium) and work carefully since it's really caustic.

It should be shippable to ch, since it's not on my list 'buy before moving to ch' from last time I've done it a few weeks ago.

This thing is great for when you have 'caramelized' burned stuff that gathered during a lot of subsequent grilling. I've used it after cleaning with frosch soda reiniger first, until the point that papertowel didn't show much oil residue. And then I applied this thing, and it literally scraped all but most stubborn things over just a few hours. Also, tip - cover with plastic foil to avoid it drying if you need to leave it overnight - for second round for example.

I was lazy and did just one a few hour long and was really happy with the results.

For less intensive stuff to clean, look into waschsoda, natrium carbonate (stronger than baking soda, natron, natrium bicarbonate).
For really light, baking soda should work too.
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That depends if you listed it on the notice of defects, notification de défauts in your canton, when you moved in.

Experience shows that EF-ers don't produce those lists, which should be sent in within 10 days (best on the the tenth day as there are lots of little things to find after moving into a place).
As you are moving from Geneva to Switzerland I suspect, Switzerland is the German part of this area we're living in?
It's called "Mängelrüge". You give it that title and list the things that are not correct. You can also mention which ones you insist should be fixed and which ones you will accept - yet not taking responsibility for when moving out.
Thanks, actually I wanted to put "moving from Geneva to the rest of CH" but EF doesn't allow me to write that many characters for location. I don't know in which canton I will move to yet.

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Because I moved to another studio and I want to avoid this when I move out in the future.

I asked the agency to send someone they know for cleaning the oven, and two people were cleaning an oven which was surprising. I think one person would have been more than enough.

I bought a product called "Potz (Ofen-Four)" in Migros and it worked really well. It is an aerosol that you spray on and leave it for a while before wiping off and the stains come off too. In my case I left it overnight before wiping off and the results were pretty good.
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