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Is it the tenant's responsibility to repair these holes, which are not done by me?

I will quit my Geneva apartment soon.
There are some holes on the wall like on this photo. None of them are made by me.

The black bar to hold the curtain is from IKEA, so I guess my previous tenant probably had to make holes on the wall to hold these 2 pieces for curtain. (Or the frames were installed by the regie/Verwaltung?) You see some holes because in 2018 they decided to change every window in the building, so workers got down the frames and put them back after their work, but with new holes...

I bought all the furniture from my previous tenant so when I entered the apartment, her furniture stayed, including the curtain and the frames.
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The regie/Verwaltung asks me to to empty the apartment, and they said they will rebuild the floor and repaint the roof(as half of the roof is in bad shape after 6 years), not sure what they will do with the wall and if they will charge me for these holes.


1. Do I have to get off the metal frames when giving back the apartment or I have the option to leave them there?
2. Do I have to repair these holes?

Thanks a lot

I made 2 circles because if we have to get off the frame, then new holes will appear underneath
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Old 08.04.2021, 21:02
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Remove all, and repair the holes, otherwise you will be charged for doing so.

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Re: Is it the tenant's responsibility to repair these holes, which are not done by me

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Remove all, and repair the holes, otherwise you will be charged for doing so.

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Yes I'd say so too, the only other option would be if you and new tenant agreed that they would keep the curtain poles or any other furniture for that matter. My last move the new tenants agreed to keep a coat rack in place meaning I just left it up, agency were also fine with this. Talk to the new tenants or agency, if not take them down.
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Do you have any proof they were not made by you? I would have taken photos of any previous damage if I were you and let the landlord know about them immediately after taking over. Too late now..
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Re: Is it the tenant's responsibility to repair these holes, which are not done by me

I guess you took over from the previous tenant (not *your* tenant) including responsibility for any damage? Or was it separate with a separate 'protocol'?

Just talk to your landlord/ regie or whatever. They will tell you. Maybe get it in writing or write to confirm your understanding if they say you don't need to do anythiing.
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Do you have any proof they were not made by you?
Equally where's the proof that they were? Or are we still going with the guilty until proven innocent thing?
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I will quit my Geneva apartment soon.
There are some holes on the wall like on this photo. None of them are made by me.
Friday is tomorrow.

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Equally where's the proof that they were? Or are we still going with the guilty until proven innocent thing?
It isn't a question of innocence, it's a question of what is required for the handover.

Requirement is that the property is handed back in the same or better condition than when it was received, allowing for normal wear and tear, and as defined by the protocol. Anything not noted on the protocol is assumed to be in "Swiss" condition, i.e. perfect relative to its age.

So no way you could get away with the holes in the window if not listed, that isn't normal. The curtain poles are a bit different - it's a normal fitting, even if pretty rare here, so if they were there on entry then it should be fine to leave them.

In practice, I'd take down the poles and fill the holes, it's a fifteen minute job and avoids any hassle.
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The furniture, the kitchen filter, holes in the wall, just start a new thread including all things which are not your responsibility. Maybe mods can do a merge
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Re: Is it the tenant's responsibility to repair these holes, which are not done by me

For those of you asking, the curtain and curtain poles were already like this when I entered, it was reflected in the report with photos when entering the apartment. The only difference now is: it seems there is no "next tenant" now as they want to renovate the apartment. Nobody has visited the apartment and I will leave in end April.

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Do you have any proof they were not made by you? I would have taken photos of any previous damage if I were you and let the landlord know about them immediately after taking over. Too late now..


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It isn't a question of innocence, it's a question of what is required for the handover.

Requirement is that the property is handed back in the same or better condition than when it was received, allowing for normal wear and tear, and as defined by the protocol. Anything not noted on the protocol is assumed to be in "Swiss" condition, i.e. perfect relative to its age.

So no way you could get away with the holes in the window if not listed, that isn't normal. The curtain poles are a bit different - it's a normal fitting, even if pretty rare here, so if they were there on entry then it should be fine to leave them.

In practice, I'd take down the poles and fill the holes, it's a fifteen minute job and avoids any hassle.
Thanks a lot for your advice. I don't have the tools and material to do this and I have never done any painiting in my life.... Do you know who could do this for me if I pay?






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Remove all, and repair the holes, otherwise you will be charged for doing so.

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I wanted to click "thanks" but I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean "Remove all, and repair the holes, otherwise you will be charged for NOT doing so?"
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For those of you asking, the curtain and curtain poles were already like this when I entered, it was reflected in the report with photos when entering the apartment. The only difference now is: it seems there is no "next tenant" now as they want to renovate the apartment. Nobody has visited the apartment and I will leave in end April.
Then you don't have to do anything - the rule is you leave it in the state it was when you got it (or better), allowing for normal aging of paint etc.

So if the rails and holes were there, and on the report, then that's how you should leave it.

In fact, you can't remove the rails, they are part of the fittings you were given.
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