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27.04.2021, 07:47
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| | Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar?
Morning EF, would be grateful to have your opinion
This photo is from the report made by my Geneva verwaltung/regie when I moved in. the door in the red circle is missing. I realized that it is in the cellar(probably put there by my previous tenant). I bought all the furniture from her as well. we see on the photo that there is no door there but the text listing all items has listed a door for the part "living room" in the report.
Is it my legal responsibility to get the door back when giving back the apartment? I am asking because there are 2 doors and 2 big boards inside a wardrobe which are in the same situation.
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27.04.2021, 09:40
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar? | Quote: | |  | | | Is it my legal responsibility to get the door back when giving back the apartment? I am asking because there are 2 doors and 2 big boards inside a wardrobe which are in the same situation.
| | | | | Okay, I'll bite: yes
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27.04.2021, 09:47
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar? | Quote: | |  | | | Morning EF, would be grateful to have your opinion Attachment 141748
This photo is from the report made by my Geneva verwaltung/regie when I moved in. the door in the red circle is missing. I realized that it is in the cellar(probably put there by my previous tenant). I bought all the furniture from her as well. we see on the photo that there is no door there but the text listing all items has listed a door for the part "living room" in the report.
Is it my legal responsibility to get the door back when giving back the apartment? I am asking because there are 2 doors and 2 big boards inside a wardrobe which are in the same situation.
Thanks | | | | | Yes. If you take over changes made by previous tenant they become your responsibility.
A door is not too bad. Imagine you had taken over a pink painted flat. You would have to change it back to white.
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27.04.2021, 09:49
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar? Everything is your responsibility, take it as a default answer!
On a more serious note, yes.
Btw, you're not yet done with the move? My goodness.
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27.04.2021, 09:50
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar?
In any case, I would just wait and see what happens when you leave the apartment.
If you need to find a new tenant, they might be ok with leaving the door in the cellar.
Careful, though: it is your responsibility that the door is in perfect conditions (paint, damage caused by humidity in the cellar, etc.).
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27.04.2021, 09:54
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar? | Quote: | |  | | | Morning EF, would be grateful to have your opinion Attachment 141748
This photo is from the report made by my Geneva verwaltung/regie when I moved in. the door in the red circle is missing. I realized that it is in the cellar(probably put there by my previous tenant). I bought all the furniture from her as well. we see on the photo that there is no door there but the text listing all items has listed a door for the part "living room" in the report.
Is it my legal responsibility to get the door back when giving back the apartment? I am asking because there are 2 doors and 2 big boards inside a wardrobe which are in the same situation.
Thanks | | | | | The apartment must be handed back in the condition mentioned in the report. Allowances are made for wear and tear but there are strict guidelines as to what constitutes w&t.
If the living room door is listed as in situ then you'll need to put it back or be charged by the regie (letting agent) for them doing this.
Your problem seems to be that when you took over the apartment from the previous tenant (and bought her furniture) it was without a formal handover involving the regie, this now means that the Etat des Lieux (condition of the space/area) statement done at the beginning of her lease is still in force and you are now bound by it.
If this list also mentions the two other doors and boards (shelves?) which are inside the wardrobe as being somewhere else then you'll need to ensure they comply to the list or risk being charged to fix things.
Same goes for everything else on the Etat des Lieux list.
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27.04.2021, 10:15
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar?
I’m going to go against the grain here and say that if the doors were missing and it was documented in the handover protocol with the agency at the start of your tenancy agreement then you don’t have to do anything.
You hand it back in the condition you received it in as detailed in the handover protocol. Obviously the furniture is your responsibility as that isn’t a part of the flat.
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27.04.2021, 10:18
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| | Re: Geneva: Is it my legal responsibility to put the doors from the cellar?
Let's meet on the complaint corner thread and tell us more about the person from which you took over the flat. Looks like an accomplished manipulator, maybe even a scammer.
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