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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

Nocando- which weed are you talking about. Can you post a photo?

Our plot is in 3 parts, a lawn in front of the house, with a veg patch at the side, 3 raised beds, and large cottage garden flower beds. Lawn is full of 'weeds' but looks totally fine if kept short. No robot here- that is what OH's are for ahaha. We host bees and they just love it.

The orchard at the bottom we allow to go wild, and bees love it- full of wonderful flowers, some of them some would call weeds- that's fine.

Then a large L shaped ancient meadow- never been ploughed up or treated since the 16C. It is crazed by horses- and the part just behind the house, we allow to grow wild flowers until end of June before putting horses there- so they have time to seed properly.
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Nocando- which weed are you talking about. Can you post a photo?
properly.
I have posted pics. Not in my post but in a subsequent comment.
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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

It looks like chickweed. Specifically, it looks like stellaria media which is an annual and so is easier to deal with than a perennial.

Just pull it all up - before it sets seed and next year, and in subsequent years, it won't be such a problem.
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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

It is a clover-and as it is practically the only thing growing there, pulling out is not an option. Clover, unlike chickweed has very strong roots.

You will either accept it and cut it short (bees love it btw) or you have to start again from scratch, which will be very hard and expensive- either seed or turf.

You will have to wait until it flowers to know which one it is, it is a BIG family

https://farmfoodfamily.com/types-of-clovers/

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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

Itís definitely not chickweed.

It looks like alfalfa or some kind of clover to me.

Does it have flowers Nocando? What do they look like?
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Itís definitely not chickweed.

It looks like alfalfa or some kind of clover to me.

Does it have flowers Nocando? What do they look like?
If I remember right, it does have flowers but they are small and not pretty.
On Google lens, one of the possibilities thrown up was alfalfa.
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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

Definitely looks like chickweed - not a disaster, grass will outgrow that particularly with the regular mowing.

But from your pictures the biggest problem is probably lack of nutrients - it looks quite sandy and very patchy, there isn't even decent weed coverage on most of it!

I'd do this:

- very short mow
- roughly rake out any denser patches of weed
- fertilize the whole area with lawn fertilizer
- seed the whole area

The robomower will help to build the nutrients and quality of soil, but it doesn't look like it has much to work with at the moment.
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Definitely looks like chickweed - not a disaster, grass will outgrow that particularly with the regular mowing.

But from your pictures the biggest problem is probably lack of nutrients - it looks quite sandy and very patchy, there isn't even decent weed coverage on most of it!

I'd do this:

- very short mow
- roughly rake out any denser patches of weed
- fertilize the whole area with lawn fertilizer
- seed the whole area

The robomower will help to build the nutrients and quality of soil, but it doesn't look like it has much to work with at the moment.
I don't think it is chickweed - the pics of chickweed that I see on Google look quite different from this pestilence.

I agree with you that the soil looks tired. I will fertilize it.
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I don't think it is chickweed - the pics of chickweed that I see on Google look quite different from this pestilence.

I agree with you that the soil looks tired. I will fertilize it.
I agree, it looks nothing like any chickweed Iíve ever seen.
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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

Agreed. it is definitely a kind of clover and only the flower will let us know the exact type.
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- What is Patch Magic Grass Seed? Where do you get it?
Patch Magic is a grass seed and fertilizer mix -- all in one. You can buy it at OBI or Jumbo, and it comes in either a smaller bottle or a larger bag. Basically, you just rake the ground a bit to get out any debris (dead grass, etc.) and then sprinkle it on and then water it with a fine mist so it gets wet and puffs up a bit. Keep it watered daily (with only a mist because a strong spray will shift the grass seed). Then the grass starts to come up about a week and a half to 2 weeks later. I've had really good luck with it, whereas any time I've laid just normal grass seed it hasn't come up nearly as well.

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But of course, for something the size of your lawn, you would need something different to cover such a huge area. Patch Magic is better for smaller patches and filling in areas where the grass has been killed due to being walked on, etc.

I see that others here have identified your weed as being clover. I was curious, so I did a Google search for how to remove that and it looks like there are a few different methods, including depriving it of water and sunlight and/or using a vinegar solution, etc. I'll put the link here in case it interests you:

https://www.thisoldhouse.com/lawns/2...lawn-naturally

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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

Remove weeds by hand when it is damp, getting right down to the roots e.g. dandelion. Scarifying or viticulture with a rotating blade machine or at least a rake. Try areas of the worst, like under bushes. Then seed - I bought today Quick Turf Royal Coat Nachsaat-Rasen. I'll use it in the rain :-)

Broad-leaf weedkillers leave the grass, I have a little success. The "Roundup" that kills everything is now forbidden (glycosate) as it leaves cancerous residues but I think there are others. Burning weeds with a gas torch is effective and harmless, useful for cracks in pavement.

I would not re-turf on a rental property. Maybe the robot mower can be adjusted to leave longer grass.
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Re: Garden Problem - looking for advice

This thread reminds me...

Some years ago I had the bright idea of trying to turn a problem patch in my garden into a wildflower corner. Bought a bag of 'Wildblumenrasen', listed as 100% indigenous herbs and wild flowers, pictured in blues, pinks, and whites. Dutifully prepped the soil and sowed the seed, eagerly awaited an expanse of eco-friendly beauty.

What came up was 99% dandelions. For which I had spent 24 Chuffs.

Fellow Midwesterners will feel my pain.
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You can get hand flamethrowers in Jumbo. They're fun for dealing with weeds. Bit expensive though for 50 square metres.
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Burning weeds with a gas torch is effective and harmless, useful for cracks in pavement.
I know a guy who set his hedge on fire using this on the grass.

For the past few weeks I have been digging up weeds by hand, though they are mostly dandelions. We don't use any chemicals and never will. In past rental properties, the grass was not in the best shape when we moved in. It was much improved when we moved out. I think the secret is you need to maintain it consistently. Scarifying, aeration, fertilizing and seeding. Watering is a must for new seeds. Pull out weeds as soon as you see them. Make sure the mower, whatever type you use, has a sharp blade. The material costs are not excessive, but the time you need to invest initially is if the grass is in a neglected state at the outset.

As the OP rents, I would discuss the situation with the property owner before reaching into one's own pocket. Exactly what was the condition of the garden when you moved into the house ? As the owner bought a robot, after having gardeners on site on a regular basis (unclear to me what they did) the question is what are the owner's expectations? As a tenant you don't want to find yourself hit with a massive invoice when you move out to put the garden right. Even if you have no plans to move out right now, this is something worth taking into consideration.

When a tenant vacates a property, the garden needs to be left in the same condition as at the start of the lease. In most leases the tenant is responsible for maintaining the grass. Trees and hedges might be the responsibility of the property owner.
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I know a guy who set his hedge on fire using this on the grass.

For the past few weeks I have been digging up weeds by hand, though they are mostly dandelions. We don't use any chemicals and never will. In past rental properties, the grass was not in the best shape when we moved in. It was much improved when we moved out. I think the secret is you need to maintain it consistently. Scarifying, aeration, fertilizing and seeding. Watering is a must for new seeds. Pull out weeds as soon as you see them. Make sure the mower, whatever type you use, has a sharp blade. The material costs are not excessive, but the time you need to invest initially is if the grass is in a neglected state at the outset.

As the OP rents, I would discuss the situation with the property owner before reaching into one's own pocket. Exactly what was the condition of the garden when you moved into the house ? As the owner bought a robot, after having gardeners on site on a regular basis (unclear to me what they did) the question is what are the owner's expectations? As a tenant you don't want to find yourself hit with a massive invoice when you move out to put the garden right. Even if you have no plans to move out right now, this is something worth taking into consideration.

When a tenant vacates a property, the garden needs to be left in the same condition as at the start of the lease. In most leases the tenant is responsible for maintaining the grass. Trees and hedges might be the responsibility of the property owner.
The owner is responsible for maintaining the garden - the gardeners are hired by him and they have never interacted with us. In fact when this weed started taking over the garden, the land lady would apologize to us every time she saw us. So highly unlikely that they will hold us responsible when we move out. I think the basic issue seems to be that they seem to think that their definition of a garden is different ( for the lack if a better word ). As I have mentioned previously, they had told us when we moved in that they see the garden as a prairie ( their exact words ) and not a manicured lawn. Their patch is similar but they have somehow escaped the weed.
The gardeners used to do just come and mow the garden. They were amateurs - they even mowed some flowers we had planted.
Owner's expectations - I don't think he cares for a garden. From his body language, he seems to finds it an irritation. I wonder why he wants to put its maintenance on his head.
I think we are going to get a quote from someone and see if it's worth it. We don't have the wherewithal to do this ourselves.
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So highly unlikely that they will hold us responsible when we move out.
Just be sure you have more than 'highly unlikely' on your side... because things have a way of going south when moving out.

If you choose to do anything with the garden, get the landlord's permission for the exact plan in writing.

Better over-caution upfront than an unexpected expense.

All the best.

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Attached are 3 pics - a close-up of the weed and 2 of the garden
Given you're renting, and unsure of how long you'll stay, AND the costs of professional landscaping in Switzerland....if it were me, I'd ask the landlord if he/she would organise to scarify the land, and then sow wildflowers that you will buy for him/her. And then I'd buy a stack of wild strawberry seeds, and the wildflower seeds for whatever your local Gemeinden (or plant nursery) recommends. Give it a year, and you should have a prettier view. Trying to convert to lawn will be expensive, and will involve significant ongoing work to maintain.

If you want to accelerate the process, make friends with anyone in your area growing strawberries, or hunt through the roadsides to pluck out strawberry plants that have some roots attached; create a small hole with a hand trowel (or an empty tin!) plop them into the ground about a metre apart, and voila - in 5 months you'll be over-run with the things - or at least that has worked for us on our mountain (we started with 12 strawberry "cuttings" which have grown themselves to now span over 40 square metres - and if you don't want to walk over crushed strawberries the robot mower should help stop the berries from growing!)

I've seen several ground creepers that grow fabulously and fast across most of Switzerland - including plants from the Campanula, Phlox and Alyssum families, plus buttercups, and there's some cute little daisies (names escape me) to check out as well. Make sure you get perennials (winter hardy plants that come back year after year, rather than annuals - plants that theoretically die off after each season)

We inherited a less than average patch of weeds and sickly grass 9 years ago. I spent the first three years constantly weeding and grass sowing and grass feeding to make it into a lovely lawn, and the next 4 years fighting to keep the weeds away with high levels of lawn maintenance. These last two years I've succumbed to nature to let the wildflowers grow through, and added some additional wild grasses and bee friendly plantings as well. Instead of mowing twice a week (post snow), I now mow only once a month, our cats find the increased insect levels very entertaining, it's colorful all year around (up to the point of snow season), our bird and bee life has increased, and it can only be better for the environment...

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On the original question of what the weed is - I now have a load of it in my "meadow" section.

Pretty sure it's Birdsfoot Trefoil, which would be confirmed by yellow orchid-like flowers often with an orange bit.

Not that this makes any difference to the next steps, although it's supposed to be a good forage crop so maybe you could borrow a goat.
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On the original question of what the weed is - I now have a load of it in my "meadow" section.

Pretty sure it's Birdsfoot Trefoil, which would be confirmed by yellow orchid-like flowers often with an orange bit.

Not that this makes any difference to the next steps, although it's supposed to be a good forage crop so maybe you could borrow a goat.



This.....or some rabbits or chickens maybe ?
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