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Sorry, I know there were a couple of previous threads on this topic, but they are quite old, so I thought I would start a fresh one.

We will soon be moving out of our flat, and we would like to sell some of the items we have here (especially flyscreens, blinds, curtains and a bit of furniture) to the next tenants in the flat.

I have seen that this is not uncommon in Switzerland. We also bought some things from the previous tenants when we moved to our flat in Nyon a few years ago.

Anyway, has anyone done this from the selling side, and if so, what is the best approach? Do you sign a separate agreement with the tenants that they will buy the stuff? I obviously don't want to agree something with them, and leave the items, and later either (a) not get paid or (b) get grief from the rental agency for having left a load of stuff in the flat!

And also (and I hope I don't unleash a torrent of anger for suggesting this), is it possible for us to prioritise new tenants who would be willing to buy the items from us? I know this isn't perceived by everyone as something fair, but I thought I would ask.
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Old 20.05.2021, 23:15
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Sorry, I know there were a couple of previous threads on this topic, but they are quite old, so I thought I would start a fresh one.

We will soon be moving out of our flat, and we would like to sell some of the items we have here (especially flyscreens, blinds, curtains and a bit of furniture) to the next tenants in the flat.

I have seen that this is not uncommon in Switzerland. We also bought some things from the previous tenants when we moved to our flat in Nyon a few years ago.

Anyway, has anyone done this from the selling side, and if so, what is the best approach? Do you sign a separate agreement with the tenants that they will buy the stuff? I obviously don't want to agree something with them, and leave the items, and later either (a) not get paid or (b) get grief from the rental agency for having left a load of stuff in the flat!

And also (and I hope I don't unleash a torrent of anger for suggesting this), is it possible for us to prioritise new tenants who would be willing to buy the items from us? I know this isn't perceived by everyone as something fair, but I thought I would ask.
Yes, it makes sense to make a contract and even better, have them pay before/when you leave. And yes, the contract has to be between you and the buyer. It will not only be proof between you two but also to the landlord should there be a problem with these things later.

And no, it is not legal to prioritize a tenant due to them buying furniture!
But as real life is - just do not say why you prioritize tenant A to tenant B.
Anyway, it's the landlord who takes the last decision on who will receive the flat, not you.
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Anyway, it's the landlord who takes the last decision on who will receive the flat, not you.
So the prospective tenant bribes you to take the apartment and you bribe the landlord to take that tenant.
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is it possible for us to prioritise new tenants who would be willing to buy the items from us? I know this isn't perceived by everyone as something fair, but I thought I would ask.
Only if you own it.

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Not ok and a pet hate of mine.

Roughly translated the legal provisions:
Linked transaction (Koppelungsgeschäft) included in a rental contract takeover

According to Article 254 of the Swiss Code of Obligations, a linked transaction in connection with the rental of residential or commercial premises is void if the conclusion or continuation of the rental agreement is made dependent on it and the tenant thereby assumes an obligation towards the landlord or a third party that is not directly related to the use of the rented property.

The Ordinance to the Tenancy Act (VMWG) lists the following obligations of the tenant as examples of linked transactions:

- Purchase of the rental object
- Takeover of furniture
- Acquisition of shares
- Conclusion of a specific insurance contract. (This does not include the general obligation to take out liability and household insurance with a provider of choice.)
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We will soon be moving out of our flat, and we would like to sell some of the items we have here (especially flyscreens, blinds, curtains and a bit of furniture) to the next tenants in the flat.
Many tenants do not want furniture from the previous tenant left in the apartment as they think it will interfere with a thorough cleaning, possibly conceal damage, and doesn't suit their tastes. Property managers and landlords are generally not keen to have furniture taken over either. You would be better off trying to sell it. You can't make this a condition of taking over your lease.

As for the window coverings and fly screens....some incoming tenants appreciate these and will pay, but it's the same situation as with the furniture. Others expect you to leave them because they think you can't use them in your next place anyways. Property managers and landlords put up much less of a fuss over these types of items. If these items have been installed into window frames using screws, you will have holes to fill if you need to take them out.

If you live in a building with other units which may have similar windows, you could try and sell them this way.

Otherwise you have to try and sell these items by advertising them.
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I know people that have taken this deal, believing it gave them a better chance. Invariably they just pay someone else to take the stuff away.

There are some things that new tenants are likely to want, such as renter-installed light fixtures, washing machines and dishwashers. Your IkEA bargin throw rug, not so much.

Not every new renter understands that many flats come without light fixtures (other than a single naked bulb hanging from the ceiling).
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Re: Selling household fittings / furniture to new tenants

When we bought our rustico, we opted to keep some of the previous owners stuff (some cupboards, TV, Kitchen table and benches, some other chairs, some photovoltaic panels, generator, plates, pots, beer, etc.) and had him get rid of the rest (we helped load the truck), but we didn't pay for anything, just saved him the trouble of removing and dumping it.

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When we bought our rustico, we opted to keep some of the previous owners stuff (some cupboards, TV, Kitchen table and benches, some other chairs, some photovoltaic panels, generator, plates, pots, beer, etc.) and had him get rid of the rest (we helped load the truck), but we didn't pay for anything, just saved him the trouble of removing and dumping it.

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Oh gosh, I wasn't planning on leaving my beer behind! I hope Mrs Angoose doesn't hear about this, as I'm sure she would be in favour of that!
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Anyway, has anyone done this from the selling side, and if so, what is the best approach? Do you sign a separate agreement with the tenants that they will buy the stuff? I obviously don't want to agree something with them, and leave the items, and later either (a) not get paid or (b) get grief from the rental agency for having left a load of stuff in the flat!
You can make a written agreement/contract if you want, but you can't put a clause to make it conditional in any way on them being accepted as tenant - that's forbidden by law and would make your agreement legally void. So be prepared with having to move your items out of the flat in any case.
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Sorry, I know there were a couple of previous threads on this topic, but they are quite old, so I thought I would start a fresh one.

We will soon be moving out of our flat, and we would like to sell some of the items we have here (especially flyscreens, blinds, curtains and a bit of furniture) to the next tenants in the flat.

I have seen that this is not uncommon in Switzerland. We also bought some things from the previous tenants when we moved to our flat in Nyon a few years ago.

Anyway, has anyone done this from the selling side, and if so, what is the best approach? Do you sign a separate agreement with the tenants that they will buy the stuff? I obviously don't want to agree something with them, and leave the items, and later either (a) not get paid or (b) get grief from the rental agency for having left a load of stuff in the flat!

And also (and I hope I don't unleash a torrent of anger for suggesting this), is it possible for us to prioritise new tenants who would be willing to buy the items from us? I know this isn't perceived by everyone as something fair, but I thought I would ask.
You may have the very best intentions but you are basically asking for advice to set up a scam.
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You may have the very best intentions but you are basically asking for advice to set up a scam.
It's not a scam, just an extortion / fee for getting the flat.

Scam would be if tenants pay and not get the furniture.
Or if they don't get the flat, nor furniture and lose money. Eg if OP has zero impact on which tenant could be chosen.

I assume if OP is looking for next tenant and recommends only one (the one who wants to buy of furniture) and if that tenant gets accepted everything is 'fine'.

I totally understand the wish to leave furniture with the flat and cut the costs. We also don't know how much OP wants for their furniture.
Some folks who are looking for a flat would be happy to get the furniture for cheap + no shopping, transport or assembly needed.

In Berlin that practice is pretty common, from both perspectives. Yes, sometimes it's just pure extortion if furniture is crap, however, sometimes it's really good deal.

OP - I'd honestly ask tenants if they want it and offer some fair price.
Payment after they get the flat or you have x days to remove this eg they agree they won't complain to the landlord on handover if they don't want it after all and time was too short to do it before handover. Or something like that.

And who you'll recommend, depends on who you think will have the best chances to cut down your obligation to pay the rent. I mean, you know your priorities - is it getting out of the flat sooner or getting rid of the furniture. There can be only one priority
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I assume if OP is looking for next tenant and recommends only one (the one who wants to buy of furniture) and if that tenant gets accepted everything is 'fine'.
It's also totally fine by law for the next tenant to agree to take the furniture if that's what it takes to get recommended, and then change his mind once he gets the flat. OP won't be able to force them to take the stuff - agreement conditional on getting flat is legally void; instead in the end he can be forced to dispose of all his stuff himself at his cost.
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Sorry, I know there were a couple of previous threads on this topic, but they are quite old, so I thought I would start a fresh one.

We will soon be moving out of our flat, and we would like to sell some of the items we have here (especially flyscreens, blinds, curtains and a bit of furniture) to the next tenants in the flat.

I have seen that this is not uncommon in Switzerland. We also bought some things from the previous tenants when we moved to our flat in Nyon a few years ago.

Anyway, has anyone done this from the selling side, and if so, what is the best approach? Do you sign a separate agreement with the tenants that they will buy the stuff? I obviously don't want to agree something with them, and leave the items, and later either (a) not get paid or (b) get grief from the rental agency for having left a load of stuff in the flat!

And also (and I hope I don't unleash a torrent of anger for suggesting this), is it possible for us to prioritise new tenants who would be willing to buy the items from us? I know this isn't perceived by everyone as something fair, but I thought I would ask.
Hi angoose,

Hope you are well and I am following up your post as I might need to do the same with my moving.

Can I ask you how you proceeded it in the end and if you need to submit your agreement with the new tenant to the regie to avoid misunderstanding during move out inventory check in?

Thanks a lot for your help!
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Hi angoose,

Hope you are well and I am following up your post as I might need to do the same with my moving.

Can I ask you how you proceeded it in the end and if you need to submit your agreement with the new tenant to the regie to avoid misunderstanding during move out inventory check in?

Thanks a lot for your help!
Would be great if a moderator can delete the post as EF should not facilitate scams.
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What scam? And you quoted it so it will still be visible anyway.
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I can tell you how I did it.

I showed the flat to the potential new tenants. I collected the applications as the agent didn't even bother. This for sure annoyed some prospective tenants, that the landlord asked me to do the whole process, so they didn't even bother applying. Some prospective tenants said that they would only send directly to the agent because the applications contains sensitive info (salaries, dates of birth, etc.). I was ok with that, informed the agent and gave to the tenants his e-mail.

After a few days, the agent calls me and asks me which one I would choose? I said guy 'X' as he is willing to buy the furniture. He told me to contact him and tell him he was accepted. However, that tenant had already accepted another place, so back to square one. The agent asks me for my next recommendation. I say it is guy 'Y', because he also wants to buy the furniture, but I don't have his contact details because he sent directly to the agent (confidentiality and so on). So the agent forwards me his application (!!!) and asks me to deal with it.

I call him, ask him if he is still interested in the flat and the furniture. He said yes, I prepared a contract with him for the furniture, he signed it. We presented it to the agent, he was ok with that and the provided the contract for the flat. Everything was smooth.

I did not blackmail anyone or get any bribes, I was simply asked which one I preferred. It was in my best interest to chose the one that was willing to buy the furniture, so I do not think it is a scam. If the landlord wanted to chose somebody else, he was free to do so, but he didn't even bother to have a look at the applications, I think he just checked the income of the guy and said everything looks fine.
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I don't see any scam but a severe lack of understanding how things work.

Any reputable real estate company will not give away the contact info of the next tenant to the leaving tenant. If I'd get a call from leaving tenant offering whatever, I'd make the life of the real estate agent hard. Somehow, an EFer could not understand the privacy thing a few months ago. This person felt entitled to have the contact info of next tenant.

If while the apartment is visited, the leaving tenant makes an offer to sell stuff. The leaving tenant must be ready to be told no and accept it. If the person visiting the apartment feels a bit of coercion from leaving tenant, well it can get ugly if the coercion is mentioned to the landlord. Risking a month of rent because leaving tenant wants to sell furniture, haha.

If it's a scam, it's a dumb one because it puts the leaving tenant in an uncomfortable position against landlord/real estate company since: (i) they're getting notified in advance that the rental unit will not be properly clean, and (ii) leaving tenant is risking the property is not rented as soon as possible.
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The flat was given back professionally cleaned (with the furniture inside). It was 4 or 5 years ago, but if I am not mistaken, the cleaning company was working with the agent, and their quoted price was similar to what you would find on the market, so this gave me a peace of mind. In the end, all three of us were present during the handover and everyone was happy.

In any case, I have been to some viewings where people try to push their furniture. I don't want them, so I don't even bother applying. But some people do (especially if they are first moving in Switzerland or the furniture is in good condition), so this is also good for them.
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