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Asking money for furniture

Hi,

What's the deal with furniture selling with a flat? Is it just a way for people to make money? I've viewed a couple properties in the past few days and people are asking for ridiculuos money for a nominal amount of furniture? Eg 1000 CHF for a table and a lamp but not including anything actually useful even though apartment decked out fully.

Obviously I'm not paying it, but I'm curious if this is common in Switzerland to recoup costs or something?
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Well, um, yeah in general people sell things to get some money back but with apartments you can see it as asking for a bribe. Not legal but it's done. Apartment goes to the highest briber. I'm not sure how far reporting them would go.
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Re: Asking money for furniture

I also found it's a common strategy to easily get rid of things. But you're not obliged to do it
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Re: Asking money for furniture

There are multiple threads on this topic on the forum that have more information.

As per my information, make sure that this is an agreement that is dependent on the rental contract as such agreements are void.
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Well, um, yeah in general people sell things to get some money back but with apartments you can see it as asking for a bribe. Not legal but it's done. Apartment goes to the highest briber. I'm not sure how far reporting them would go.
This - when I was renting, and there were 50+ other interested parties, it was the sure way of getting the apartment.

And when I was moving out, a few people asked me if they could pay me for something that I have, and when I said yes, they said it would not make sense if they didn't get the apartment so I have to make sure that they are top of the list...

A much more transparent way of making sure you get the apartment if you ask me...
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There are multiple threads on this topic on the forum that have more information.

As per my information, make sure that this is an agreement that is dependent on the rental contract as such agreements are void.
Yep, here is the most recent one.
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Re: Asking money for furniture

I could understand someone selling the whole apartment of furniture that is reasonable as they're probably too lazy or don't have time to sell it themselves. But a deliberately small amount seems a bit cheeky.

Oh well the hunt continues.
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Re: Asking money for furniture

Why can't they be a bit more honest and say "If you give me a wad of cash, the apartment is yours".

Why dress it up as something else?
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Why can't they be a bit more honest and say "If you give me a wad of cash, the apartment is yours".

Why dress it up as something else?
Because getting rid of furniture you don't want anymore is so difficult in this country.
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I could understand someone selling the whole apartment of furniture that is reasonable as they're probably too lazy or don't have time to sell it themselves. But a deliberately small amount seems a bit cheeky.
Yes, often it's just that they're too lazy to sort it all out. In one case when we bought a flat we were asked several times if we wanted to buy the furniture, but declined, on the understanding that the seller could leave it anyway. Much of it was perfectly good and remained in use for the ten years we had the place; some of it still is.

In the end we and the estate agent cleared out much of the junk on the day before taking possession, given that the seller was 75 or so, and that he's agreed to drop the price somewhat as well, on the understanding that he could take the easy option like that.

Do bear in mind, though, that any furniture that is left should be valued as highly as possible, to minimise the tax payable on the purchase, i.e. to deduct the value of furniture or anything else included from the selling price before using that reduced price to calculate taxes and fees. (Or is it only in France that it works that way? I'm not so sure now).
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We took furniture in our current place, but we didn't pay for it - there were some hints from the seller in that direction, but our view was that both sides and the environment benefited from not disposing of usable stuff.

In practice some of it was good as it obviously fitted the place, but over the years we've also been disposing of quite a lot as we find things which better suit us.
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Why can't they be a bit more honest and say "If you give me a wad of cash, the apartment is yours".

Why dress it up as something else?
Because they are not the decision maker. The only thing they do is pass the application form to the landlord.
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Because they are not the decision maker. The only thing they do is pass the application form to the landlord.
If they are showing people round (which seems to be the case here), I'm sure they could recommend (or dis-recommend) potential tenants to the landlord.
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Re: Asking money for furniture

Not so much an issue right now (long days) but if you take over an apartment there are usually no lamps included. So it can make sense to take over at least some lamps if you have the option in order to move in with light I moved in November so took all the lamps I could get. I replaced them one after the other afterwards but some I used for some time.

Of course it there is at least a light bulb then its less of a problem but often in the living room there is no light bulbs hanging from the ceiling.
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Because getting rid of furniture you don't want anymore is so difficult in this country.
No way is it just that. If it was, why do they seem to ask for obscene amounts of money for junk.

Why not a fair price, or for free?
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No way is it just that. If it was, why do they seem to ask for obscene amounts of money for junk.

Why not a fair price, or for free?
I believe that comment was sarcastic.
It's hilariously easy to get rid of furniture - just post it up on FB Marketplace with the price tag of free and you will have people lining up.
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Well, um, yeah in general people sell things to get some money back but with apartments you can see it as asking for a bribe. Not legal but it's done. Apartment goes to the highest briber. I'm not sure how far reporting them would go.
It's done mostly in Geneva. In the civilized part of the country, you will hardly find such deals.
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Why can't they be a bit more honest and say "If you give me a wad of cash, the apartment is yours".

Why dress it up as something else?
Because they can't be that upfront. Easy. Plus they hit two rabbits with one shot.

(I guess some folks will always try to gain even the last penny out of a "favourable" position)
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Re: Asking money for furniture

So, being blatantly open like this is (also) illegal, right?

https://flatfox.ch/en/flat/anwandstr...zurich/429838/

How would the agency allow posting that?

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So, being blatantly open like this is (also) illegal, right?

https://flatfox.ch/en/flat/anwandstr...zurich/429838/

How would the agency allow posting that?
Yep, that is not acceptable. I think the wardrobe would be something to negotiate but the rest - absolutely not. Many buildings are managed by a single agency, who will typically have its details posted at the entrance of the building. Depending on who it is, you can get the application form online or just contact them and say that you prefer to go through them directly as the current renter is trying to force people to take their furniture.
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