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Re: [Zurich Canton]: Temporary Accommodation

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Kindly account for the time necessary to actually obtain your work permit.
It can take a few months (maybe your employer can tell you more).
It will help you plan your arrival accordingly.
I understood that OP is an EU citizen, and that therefore, the work permit will be issued immediately upon arrival and registration - as long as OP has a work contract, and an address.

OP, in your shoes, I would ask the municipality in which you hope to find your temporary accommodation whether AirBnB, or one of the serviced places like City or Star appartments, or the Swissotel linked to above, will suffice, as a first address at which to register. This is different from municipality to municipality.
Once you know what is and what is not acceptable, you can then know how broad your scope is.
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Old 02.08.2021, 13:25
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Oh that's interesting.

So what you are suggesting is 1) start with City Stay for the first month, then 2) use a short term / limited let until March 3) find your long term property.
What I would suggest is to book City Stay for the period up to December when you return to Italy. That gives you long enough to get the wheels in motion regarding your residency permit. Have an option of booking an apartment in the same City Stay building for the Jan-March stay so that they will hold any post until your return, and spend that stay looking for a more permanent place.

Switzerland has set moving dates which are when most people move house. These are :
Zurich City: 31 March, 30 September, Districts: 31 March, 30 June, 30 September

In the 3 months before each date is when most properties are advertised, so your Jan-March stay offer you the most choice of where to live. There are properties which come available outside of these time scales, particularly 'befristet' ones. Just to give you an idea of what can happen if you get lucky, this was how our move happened.

I spotted the apartment I was most interested in on Homegate before we moved and had a short list of 6. When we arrived, 3 had been let, but my top favourite was still available. It was a 'befristet' with 3.5 rooms, 80msq and stunning lake views for about 1,600 CHF and I'd still rank it as one of the best places I've ever lived.

Sunday 8 Nov - we moved to Switzerland and stayed in a hotel as I was still entitled to travel agent rates at the time.

Monday 9 Nov - Set up Swiss bank accounts. Applied for residency permit application forms from the Gemeinde buro local to the hotel, and applied for SBB halbtax card for collection at the train station where the application was made.

Tuesday 10 Nov - went for a walk around the area where my 1st choice apartment was. Bought a printer which became essential for copying documents which we had to submit.

Wednesday 11 Nov - application appointment at the local Gemeinde office using the hotel's address as hotel reception had agreed to hold any post for us. The Gemeinde phoned the hotel during the interview to check this was true.

Thursday 12 Nov - viewed three apartments which were having open viewings to get a feel for what Swiss property was like within our price range.

Saturday 14 Nov - moved into a City Stay apartment which was very comfortable, very well equipped and had a huge terrace.

Monday 16 Nov - viewed my 1st choice apartment.

Tuesday 17 Nov - went to the agent for the apartment to hand in the completed application forms in person.

Tuesday 1 Dec - collected the keys and moved into the apartment. This was also the first time my partner had seen it. We hired a delivery guy to collect and deliver the bed and sofa from where I'd bought them.

As the apartment was a 4 month befristet lease, we had to pay the full 4 months in advance as well as the deposit. Also, the agent said it was the fastest they'd completed a new residency as the process usually takes 4 weeks. Our last move earlier this year, was with a private landlord and the process only took 2 weeks to complete.

I've just written this because there are so many rules that it can be daunting, but you can get lucky like we did, even if you arrive in the autumn/winter months.

If I were you, I'd begin seriously looking at apartment ads in August, join homegate and comparis, and build up a shortlist of favourite properties. If you're lucky, you could move into a place before Christmas and be coming back from Italy to your own home, just don't forget to tell Migrationsamt your change of address and register with Kreisburo or Gemeinde where your new home is.
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Re: [Zurich Canton]: Temporary Accommodation

Impressive blueangel and good for you.
I’ve learned so much on this thread, and I’m no longer with it.
Nice to see that things are so much easier.
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I understood that OP is an EU citizen, and that therefore, the work permit will be issued immediately upon arrival and registration - as long as OP has a work contract, and an address.

OP, in your shoes, I would ask the municipality in which you hope to find your temporary accommodation whether AirBnB, or one of the serviced places like City or Star appartments, or the Swissotel linked to above, will suffice, as a first address at which to register. This is different from municipality to municipality.
Once you know what is and what is not acceptable, you can then know how broad your scope is.
Thank you that's really useful! Will do!
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What I would suggest is to book City Stay for the period up to December when you return to Italy. That gives you long enough to get the wheels in motion regarding your residency permit. Have an option of booking an apartment in the same City Stay building for the Jan-March stay so that they will hold any post until your return, and spend that stay looking for a more permanent place.

Switzerland has set moving dates which are when most people move house. These are :
Zurich City: 31 March, 30 September, Districts: 31 March, 30 June, 30 September

In the 3 months before each date is when most properties are advertised, so your Jan-March stay offer you the most choice of where to live. There are properties which come available outside of these time scales, particularly 'befristet' ones. Just to give you an idea of what can happen if you get lucky, this was how our move happened.

I spotted the apartment I was most interested in on Homegate before we moved and had a short list of 6. When we arrived, 3 had been let, but my top favourite was still available. It was a 'befristet' with 3.5 rooms, 80msq and stunning lake views for about 1,600 CHF and I'd still rank it as one of the best places I've ever lived.

Sunday 8 Nov - we moved to Switzerland and stayed in a hotel as I was still entitled to travel agent rates at the time.

Monday 9 Nov - Set up Swiss bank accounts. Applied for residency permit application forms from the Gemeinde buro local to the hotel, and applied for SBB halbtax card for collection at the train station where the application was made.

Tuesday 10 Nov - went for a walk around the area where my 1st choice apartment was. Bought a printer which became essential for copying documents which we had to submit.

Wednesday 11 Nov - application appointment at the local Gemeinde office using the hotel's address as hotel reception had agreed to hold any post for us. The Gemeinde phoned the hotel during the interview to check this was true.

Thursday 12 Nov - viewed three apartments which were having open viewings to get a feel for what Swiss property was like within our price range.

Saturday 14 Nov - moved into a City Stay apartment which was very comfortable, very well equipped and had a huge terrace.

Monday 16 Nov - viewed my 1st choice apartment.

Tuesday 17 Nov - went to the agent for the apartment to hand in the completed application forms in person.

Tuesday 1 Dec - collected the keys and moved into the apartment. This was also the first time my partner had seen it. We hired a delivery guy to collect and deliver the bed and sofa from where I'd bought them.

As the apartment was a 4 month befristet lease, we had to pay the full 4 months in advance as well as the deposit. Also, the agent said it was the fastest they'd completed a new residency as the process usually takes 4 weeks. Our last move earlier this year, was with a private landlord and the process only took 2 weeks to complete.

I've just written this because there are so many rules that it can be daunting, but you can get lucky like we did, even if you arrive in the autumn/winter months.

If I were you, I'd begin seriously looking at apartment ads in August, join homegate and comparis, and build up a shortlist of favourite properties. If you're lucky, you could move into a place before Christmas and be coming back from Italy to your own home, just don't forget to tell Migrationsamt your change of address and register with Kreisburo or Gemeinde where your new home is.
Thank you for sharing your experience!

I will not lie though, it does sound overwhelming the amount of steps that are required...

How did you manage to open a bank account without registering / obtaining residency permit?

How much was the City Stay price per month?

How come did you choose a befristet if you still had to buy new furniture?
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Old 03.08.2021, 12:19
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How did you manage to open a bank account without registering / obtaining residency permit?
We just needed his work contract, passports and proof of address, which at the time was the hotel. Once we'd completed the residency permit application with the Gemeinde the next day, I took those forms into the bank too.

Our residency permits took a while to be received, 6 weeks for me and 10 weeks for him, so you can't wait to receive them to get moving on other things.

I had the advantage that my partner had worked in Zurich previously on a 2yr contract, so he pretty much knew how things worked. He signed me up for this forum as he'd been a member previously, and told me to read a lot and ask questions.

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How much was the City Stay price per month?
I don't know. We booked for 10 nights and extended the stay as needed when we had our moving date confirmed.

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How come did you choose a befristet if you still had to buy new furniture?
Because buying second hand and sale furniture for a befristet apartment worked out a lot cheaper than renting a furnished apartment. I'd done it before in the UK where I furnished a 2 bedroom rented house using ebay buys for under £200.

Because my partner's initial contract was only for 18 months, so I was working to a leaving date of May 2017. My plan was, a befristet apartment took us to 1 April, which is the first main moving day of the year in Zurich canton, then have a new place for a year, as this is the minimum term of the many of tenancy contracts, and spend the final month in a City Stay. Also, having a proper address allowed us to get Betreibungs ( debt collection extracts) which show that you haven't got into any bad debt and are essential for applying for an apartment. My partner's contract got extended, then permanent and we stayed 5yrs in the 2nd apartment.

As my partner's contract was only 18 mths, I bought mainly 2nd hand furniture initially as I saw no point in spending a fortune on new. Bought the bed frame and lattenrost for 130 CHF, and sofa for 110 CHF from the Heilsarmee Brocki by Hardbrucke station. https://www.brocki.ch/de/filialen/zurich/ The befristet apartment had built in wardrobes, so we didn't need to buy those.

How long do you think you'll be living in Switzerland?
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We just needed his work contract, passports and proof of address, which at the time was the hotel. Once we'd completed the residency permit application with the Gemeinde the next day, I took those forms into the bank too.

Our residency permits took a while to be received, 6 weeks for me and 10 weeks for him, so you can't wait to receive them to get moving on other things.

I had the advantage that my partner had worked in Zurich previously on a 2yr contract, so he pretty much knew how things worked. He signed me up for this forum as he'd been a member previously, and told me to read a lot and ask questions.

I don't know. We booked for 10 nights and extended the stay as needed when we had our moving date confirmed.

Because buying second hand and sale furniture for a befristet apartment worked out a lot cheaper than renting a furnished apartment. I'd done it before in the UK where I furnished a 2 bedroom rented house using ebay buys for under £200.

Because my partner's initial contract was only for 18 months, so I was working to a leaving date of May 2017. My plan was, a befristet apartment took us to 1 April, which is the first main moving day of the year in Zurich canton, then have a new place for a year, as this is the minimum term of the many of tenancy contracts, and spend the final month in a City Stay. Also, having a proper address allowed us to get Betreibungs ( debt collection extracts) which show that you haven't got into any bad debt and are essential for applying for an apartment. My partner's contract got extended, then permanent and we stayed 5yrs in the 2nd apartment.

As my partner's contract was only 18 mths, I bought mainly 2nd hand furniture initially as I saw no point in spending a fortune on new. Bought the bed frame and lattenrost for 130 CHF, and sofa for 110 CHF from the Heilsarmee Brocki by Hardbrucke station. https://www.brocki.ch/de/filialen/zurich/ The befristet apartment had built in wardrobes, so we didn't need to buy those.
Thanks for sharing!

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Permanently, if hopefully we can integrate and my partner can find a job.

However I am starting to think that it might make sense to delay the move until January, so we can have an easier time finding a long-term flat as the idea of bouncing between temporary houses is not exciting.

Are you able to work without your residency permit being issued?

I am still not clear on that aspect. If I get a contract starting the 1st of November, and let's say the 29th of October I apply for the permit, can I actually start working as Swiss employee?
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Are you able to work without your residency permit being issued?

I am still not clear on that aspect. If I get a contract starting the 1st of November, and let's say the 29th of October I apply for the permit, can I actually start working as Swiss employee?
Short answer, yes.

We applied on 10 November and they wanted a copy of my partner's work contract, he began work on the 11th and received his L Permit residency permit in mid January.

If you're not married, you need to prove that you can adequately support your partner with savings and/or your income. You will find all the information you need here https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ml#-1597848978
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If you're not married, you need to prove that you can adequately support your partner with savings and/or your income. You will find all the information you need here https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ml#-1597848978
Not married, the link sends me to the FAQ but can't see a specific point addressing this.
Do you have knowledge/experience of extending the permit to the unmarried partner?
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