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This. It should not any of the sham options described by kerneltrick
All of the options i described can be made to work. Mail can be redirected if you don't trust the person you're subletting from to take care of it. Post themselves can even open and scan it for you for a fee, all online.
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That might be your answer.

Your private banker should be willing to introduce you to the kinds of people who can tailor a solution for you. For the seriously minted, everything is possible.


(For the rest of us mere mortals, on the other hand... not so much)
For what these "kinds of people" charge, we can buy a mansion and we all have a party. We're NOT interested in the private banker's "solution"
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My first thought too - but EF is ever helpful
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Good luck with that Airstream trailer on Swiss roads and in towns.

Switzerland is a Shengen country…
Thank you! Noted. We're now researching this more in-depth.
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Yes, that's what I was thinking, too. Not so convenient on those little roads, and not on the mountain passes, either.

Perhaps it could work if one followed the rivers not the mountains, always parked out of town, and used the excellent public transport to get into town.

If it were me, I'd choose something much smaller and more manoeuvrable, that could do towns, cities, rivers and mountains, and I'd zip around Switzerland blissfully. And then, any time I got tired of feeling constrained by the van, I'd pop home to the rented apartment for a few days vacation from my vacation.
Thank you! This is really good advice. We're now searching to join a social club with RV/Motorhomes. EF has been truly very helpful.
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We plan to do this by renting (or purchasing?) an Airstream Classic https://www.airstream.com/travel-trailers/classic/ to travel through Switzerland.
This looks very very long compared to "normal" motor homes, you may have trouble finding camping sites that are able to accomodate it. And yes, Swiss roads are generally not made with these in mind.

Also, camping sites around here are much more packed (ie. less privacy and no secludedness) than what you may be used from elsewhere. It may be a good idea to rent something like a motorhome for a couple weeks, check out a few camping/motorhome sites and see if you like it, before spending a small fortune on something like an Airstream.

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Good luck with that Airstream trailer on Swiss roads and in towns.

Switzerland is a Shengen country…
I was also about to say that. The only Airstreams I've seen in this country are ones that never move from their spot. Even some of those ridiculously large SUVs that everyone and their mother seem to go gaga for these days can barely pass some of them. IMHO, having a vehicle where everything is in one part is your best bet. My brother-in-law's parents had a similar idea to you, except they decided to explore the world and chose to have a small IVECO lorry custom-built into a all-terrain camper "van". The company that did it is called Exploryx and the model is the "Impala Daily". You need a C1 license to drive it though, as it's a 5.5 ton vehicle and I'm not sure it can go everywhere due to the width and height but certainly more places than you can while pulling a caravan behind you.
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Good luck with that Airstream trailer on Swiss roads and in towns.
Definitely would be a challenge in the Tessin.
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Re: To rent or not to rent?

A little off topic…

So I plan to “rent” my address for 2 years to an acquaintance for a lump sum upfront payment of Fr.12,000.

I won’t be providing anything at all other than a mail redirecting service. No room, no car park, just the address. Maybe coffee for the couple of times that this person comes around for a visit.

What, I ask EF, are the things I need to watch out for?
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A little off topic…

So I plan to “rent” my address for 2 years to an acquaintance for a lump sum upfront payment of Fr.12,000.

I won’t be providing anything at all other than a mail redirecting service. No room, no car park, just the address. Maybe coffee for the couple of times that this person comes around for a visit.

What, I ask EF, are the things I need to watch out for?
Do you rent or own? If you rent, assuming you will add this acquaintance's name to your mailbox you could raise questions. Tenants cannot just add people to their homes. If the person receives a registered letter what is the plan?

You haven't said what permit this person will have or if they are Swiss. Where will this person actually be living?
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Re: To rent or not to rent?

I actually sub-let a room in my rented flat.
I assume that officially you will be doing the same. The "tenant" needs to register with the Gemeinde and deal with any correspondence that arrives - their name should be on the letter-box.
A sub-letting contract is a good idea. There are so many tenants/owners in Switzerland who have a residence for tax-purposes that it should not be an issue.
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Do you rent or own? If you rent, assuming you will add this acquaintance's name to your mailbox you could raise questions. Tenants cannot just add people to their homes. If the person receives a registered letter what is the plan?

You haven't said what permit this person will have or if they are Swiss. Where will this person actually be living?
I own.
This person is EU with a B permit, and will drive around Switzerland in a motorhome for the duration of the rental.

In fact, I think it is even better if I could rent out my holiday apartment on the understanding that this person will never use it.
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A little off topic…

So I plan to “rent” my address for 2 years to an acquaintance for a lump sum upfront payment of Fr.12,000.

I won’t be providing anything at all other than a mail redirecting service. No room, no car park, just the address. Maybe coffee for the couple of times that this person comes around for a visit.

What, I ask EF, are the things I need to watch out for?
That CHF12,000 is taxable income.

Otherwise I don't understand what you are proposing. You mean they will use your address for incoming mail, but you will still occupy the property??

"An acquantance" - be careful! Why do they want to do this??


^^^ Ignore this bit - explained in post #33

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A little off topic…

So I plan to “rent” my address for 2 years to an acquaintance for a lump sum upfront payment of Fr.12,000.

I won’t be providing anything at all other than a mail redirecting service. No room, no car park, just the address. Maybe coffee for the couple of times that this person comes around for a visit.

What, I ask EF, are the things I need to watch out for?
So in other words, the people "renting your address" would be registered as being resident in your house / apartment as some sort of sub-let or house sharing? Only they wouldn't actually be doing that. In other words you and they would be lying to the authorities?

This could be legally tricky as, what would you do if things turn sour and your "tenants" demand the key seeing they officially live there and have the documents to prove it?

Or suppose they face debts or bankrupcy or need to be arrested and the debt collector or police come around and you have to say, well they don't actually live here or have any personal belongings, it was all a sham?

This could land you in sh*t that could well cost you more than those 12,000CHF
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Re: To rent or not to rent?

Ok, forget about renting out my main residence, let's say hypothetically, I own a holiday apartment:

So.. the OP (Curiosare), can rent my holiday apartment, pay me a lump sum in advance so that I don't have a credit risk, put a relatively large amount in deposit (in case debt collectors come around and take my furniture and appliances away.), and thus will officially rent my apartment and have an official Swiss residence.

Only that OP will not actually stay in my place and I continue to use it most weekends and some holidays. I can even continue to AirBnB it out.

Officially, I am just a landlord who rented my place out, and all I am liable for is the income tax on the rental income.
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Ok, forget about renting out my main residence, let's say hypothetically, I own a holiday apartment:

So.. the OP (Curiosare), can rent my holiday apartment, pay me a lump sum in advance so that I don't have a credit risk, put a relatively large amount in deposit (in case debt collectors come around and take my furniture and appliances away.), and thus will officially rent my apartment and have an official Swiss residence.

Only that OP will not actually stay in my place and I continue to use it most weekends and some holidays. I can even continue to AirBnB it out.

Officially, I am just a landlord who rented my place out, and all I am liable for is the income tax on the rental income.
Although we do appreciate this act of kindness, we're really looking to move to Switzerland legally for the next five years and get to know the country. It's big and beautiful and full of culture (from our limited perspective, of course).

We were in Zurich for one month and now are in Genève for another month. Next, we will be Lugano. Zurich and Genève are completely different places. We don't even feel like we are in the same country. This dichotomy is so beautiful to us.

We're really looking to getting a real address where we can install something like a Ring doorbell (https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s4/product...bells-13327798) so we can keep track in case the Gemeinde has something for us or whatnot.

We're just looking for a place where we don't waste money. We're considering purchasing something off the beaten path just so we can call it home for the next 5 years.

We've been coming to Switzerland for decades, but there is a vast difference between coming for one month or three vs. actually living here for the next five years.

We're looking for advice/solutions from more experienced Swiss residents.

Au Revoir
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Something off the beaten path may not be eligible as a primary residence.

A ring doorbell will do nothing for you if you are not there.
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Ok, forget about renting out my main residence, let's say hypothetically, I own a holiday apartment:
If it's a holiday apartment it's possible that someone can't live there full time with out changing the designation. It may not be possible to change it back due to percentage of holiday homes in the area, which could be an issue when selling.
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Re: To rent or not to rent?

You stress everything being above board and legal. Fine, but you are reluctant to tap into your banking connections (costs) and don’t want to pay rent if avoidable. Can’t comment upon which permit type you’d need but a permanent address is certainly a must. Don’t understand what a special doorbell has to do with it

Your idea of a mini Winnebago seems a bit questionable too. Not cheap as such. Are you experienced in moving such an obstacle around? It, and the towing vehicle will have to plated locally – is your current driver’s licence transferable? Just a few thoughts…
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