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Re: Illegal entry to apartment

A bit off topic, but when we lived in Zurich, we rented a very nice penthouse apartment where you took an elevator up 5 floors (using a key to enter the bldg), and then accessed your door by climbing two flts of stairs. There were 10 or 12 apartments, so 5-6 sets of stairs. Our apartment was on the end and next to us were 3 young professional men that we knew quite well. We often left our door unlocked (not always), as my Wife worked from home and I worked about 300m away.

One day, we received an anonymous note (not from our friends next door) informing us that we would be reported to the regis for not locking our door, as it presented "a potential hazard to the other tenants..." Ironic that this other tenant saw fit to go around checking for unlocked doors... I truly felt "Switzerlanded!"
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The lack of context being given would indicate something is off in what is being shared with us here, that there are details not being revealed, because they'd muddy the water.

I don't think blindly advising is useful, when simple answers to posed questions could be given to clear some of this up. There's a reason for the lack of transparency, I would guess. It seems like the full story isn't being told, and we'd need it to advise as well as possible.
Yes, that's one of those internet phenomena. Those reading may be left with a lot of questions, of parts of the narrative that don't seem to add up, or that we feel that if we could know them, we'd be able to figure out the situation better.

It's sometimes a fine line, though, about how much detail to reveal. Certainly, when I post a question about which I'd like input from others, I also don't tell the full story. That doesn't, for me, mean that something is, as you say "off" in what I share. I describe the situation truthfully, but don't set out all of the background.

That very deliberate choice, to filter things to give out just enough information so that others might be able to help with their opinions and advice, is both because I want to save the readers from having to wade through extraneous detail, and because I seek to protect, as well as I can, the privacy of the persons involved in the acutal story.
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Yes, that's one of those internet phenomena. Those reading may be left with a lot of questions, of parts of the narrative that don't seem to add up, or that we feel that if we could know them, we'd be able to figure out the situation better.

It's sometimes a fine line, though, about how much detail to reveal. Certainly, when I post a question about which I'd like input from others, I also don't tell the full story. That doesn't, for me, mean that something is, as you say "off" in what I share. I describe the situation truthfully, but don't set out all of the background.

That very deliberate choice, to filter things to give out just enough information so that others might be able to help with their opinions and advice, is both because I want to save the readers from having to wade through extraneous detail, and because I seek to protect, as well as I can, the privacy of the persons involved in the acutal story.

Well, but I see more options besides those 2. For example, I asked if the story is as mysterious as it sounds, or there's more to why the person might have a key or more to what they are doing in the flat. Those questions can simply be answered with yes or no answers. No need for more info than that, unless the poster wanted to share more.


There being more context is really important to know, to best advise, mindful of the potential severity of this being so variable, and also the likely legal options that could be pursued.


A random entry from an homeless person having found a hidden key is very different from an ex-partner with a restraining order entering, having made a copy of a key.



In example 1, that's a random, successful entry, and the behaviour of an opportunist
In example 2, that's a deliberate, planned entry, and the behaviour of someone with intent


I'm very conscious when I post about others to reveal nothing that could identify them in any way, so understand the will to do that - it's just that there are many options besides the extremes of revealing everything, and revealing nothing (as it pertains to pertinent, critical info, which we are missing here).
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Re: Illegal entry to apartment

aside from motivation of the person entering the apartment:
- this does not have to be a key to the specific apartment, but a universal key. T think those keys with tiny holes/dents in them do come with a mother key so that the Hausmeister can open any apartment. I assume they are hard but not impossible to get.

- reporting to the administration and a request to have the locks changed would be advised from my point of view. This can be also considered as a complaint against the tenant and if there were other complaints against him, probably the administration may even terminate his contract
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I'm very conscious when I post about others to reveal nothing that could identify them in any way, so understand the will to do that - it's just that there are many options besides the extremes of revealing everything, and revealing nothing (as it pertains to pertinent, critical info, which we are missing here).
For this particular thread, I agree that a lot of the details were not posted. I just don't find that in any way problematic. It seems fine to me. As it is, several people seem to have found the amount of info that OP gave sufficient for them to have been able to suggest some options that OP's friend could follow. That's how I feel, too.

I take it that OP, as an experienced forum user, will have read all the posts and then (based on OP's knowlege of the back story not set out here) will pick out whichever pieces of advice that OP could see might be helpful for the friend, and skip over the rest.

In my recent threads asking for help, I probably left out details that you and others may have thought to be pertinent or critical info - and which may really be so. Even though I provided (as has OP in this thread) just a brief outline, many people did contribute a lot of useful (and a few less-useful) ideas. On the whole, the threads were very helpful to the actual situation, and I then selected which parts to suggest that my friend apply.
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A bit off topic, but when we lived in Zurich, we rented a very nice penthouse apartment where you took an elevator up 5 floors (using a key to enter the bldg), and then accessed your door by climbing two flts of stairs. There were 10 or 12 apartments, so 5-6 sets of stairs. Our apartment was on the end and next to us were 3 young professional men that we knew quite well. We often left our door unlocked (not always), as my Wife worked from home and I worked about 300m away.

One day, we received an anonymous note (not from our friends next door) informing us that we would be reported to the regis for not locking our door, as it presented "a potential hazard to the other tenants..." Ironic that this other tenant saw fit to go around checking for unlocked doors... I truly felt "Switzerlanded!"
I don't lock my door either although the landlord would prefer it. He mentioned if there was a break-in and the door was unlocked, it would be possible that the insurance wouldn't cover it. (Does anyone know if this is true?)

I suppose a tenant saw you opening the door without a key which makes the building more vulnerable to thieves.
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I don't lock my door either although the landlord would prefer it. He mentioned if there was a break-in and the door was unlocked, it would be possible that the insurance wouldn't cover it. (Does anyone know if this is true?)
Yes, it is true. My insurance informed me of this. Even if you leave your apartment just to go downstairs to the laundry or the cellar for a few minutes, not having first shut all the windows and any door to a balcony and locking the door of the apartment, this voids any claim against a household insurance policy, for theft or burglary.
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Re: Illegal entry to apartment

The strange thing is, due to the way the entryways are constructed, it is not possible to see anyone at their door (2 flts of stairs, 1 in each direction. An observer would either have to be at the bottom of the 2nd flt or maybe listening carefully. We gave it a lot of thought, and it seemed that only by physically checking (or being right behind me), could one reliably know that the door was unlocked. Like the "curtain twitcher" described in Beyond Chocolate, maybe there needs to be another chapter about the door lock checker... ;-)

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I don't lock my door either although the landlord would prefer it. He mentioned if there was a break-in and the door was unlocked, it would be possible that the insurance wouldn't cover it. (Does anyone know if this is true?)

I suppose a tenant saw you opening the door without a key which makes the building more vulnerable to thieves.
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Yes, it is true. My insurance informed me of this. Even if you leave your apartment just to go downstairs to the laundry or the cellar for a few minutes, not having first shut all the windows and any door to a balcony and locking the door of the apartment, this voids any claim against a household insurance policy, for theft or burglary.
What if you leave your windows open at night and you are robbed whilst you sleep?

I see the logic on front door but not on Windows unless you are ground floor or first.
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I don't lock my door either although the landlord would prefer it. He mentioned if there was a break-in and the door was unlocked, it would be possible that the insurance wouldn't cover it. (Does anyone know if this is true?)
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This depends a lot on where you live, for example in Malta you would be covered as standard, however as I have said I may be away for 6 months in the year there is a requirement to show 'breaking & entering'.
Swiss insurers seem to give the benefit of the doubt & pay out very easily, if you were at home I am sure they would pay, on holiday in the USA for a month, not so sure. You are expected to take some reasonable precautions against loss, as if you did not have insurance!
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If she can keep the conversation going for a while, she might get the police to make a file note that she came in, concerned, asking for advice.
In general I believe that police officers do file reports of any conversations that are more than trivial. If only to justify to their superiors how they are spending their time on duty.

Whether anything meaningful happens to such reports I cannot say. But I guess if there is an escalation later on, there is a file you can refer them to.
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