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Howling of the dog

Our neighbor had recently got a dog (a huskie, probably) and he keeps him outside in the garden as of 7-8 am, as he leaves for work, also on weekends. The poor thing howls lamentably almost constantly. I feel bad for the dog and it is also annoying sometimes and it distracts me from work. We live right above them, there are also many other residents around. When I try to talk to the dog, he stops for a second and then keeps doing his job looking into my eyes.
I am not sure the owner is aware that the dog is howling. I don't want to look mean and complain, because probably he can't do anything about it.

What do people usually do in such situations?
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Re: Howling of the dog

Take a video, send it to the owner. Of course it's not OK. Be kind, inform the owner what their dog is doing when they are away.



OR, if you are willing, ask the owner if they want to leave the dog with you - dog-share!



If the dog is howling a lot then they are probably bored, anxious, frustrated or stressed - they should not be left alone for long periods of time.

Link: https://pawleaks.com/husky-howling/


from what you have said, the dog is being left in the garden for long periods of time ? Huskies need a *lot* of exercise - and not to be left in a small garden. How many hours a day is this dog being left outside without any contact ?
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What do people usually do in such situations?
call the police and/or landlord
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Re: Howling of the dog

You could try talking to the owner rather than the dog. Clearly the dog is distressed to be alone for such a long time each day.

If you are home and are willing, have time and have had experience with dogs, you could suggest to the owner that you occasionally take him/her out for a walk?

Either way, I have to question the wisdom of taking on a very active and intelligent social animal if you are going to abandon it for the larger part of the day. Poor pooch.
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Re: Howling of the dog

The dog is in the garden from 7 till sometimes 3. He usually runs along the fence, probably looking for his owner or other dogs. I suppose nobody is home because both their cars are not on the parking lot. We have just moved in recently and I would hate to begin the communication with complaints or even worse police calls. And I cannot take the dog to my place as I am afraid of him and have never had a dog.
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The dog is in the garden from 7 till sometimes 3. He usually runs along the fence, probably looking for his owner or other dogs. I suppose nobody is home because both their cars are not on the parking lot. We have just moved in recently and I would hate to begin the communication with complaints or even worse police calls. And I cannot take the dog to my place as I am afraid of him and have never had a dog.
Communication with the owners needn't be taken as a complaint, though. You could frame it as being concerned for the dog, saying the poor thing was howling all day. As a dog owner myself, I'd be mortified if someone complained and I would be grovelling an apology for shattering their peace with a ton of yapping day in, day out. As a dog owner you're painfully aware that your prized pooch might be someone else's PITA.

You could pick up a sturdy chew toy from a pet shop as a peace offering and a show that you're there for the welfare of the dog rather than there to have a rant.

Either that or you'll have to put up with it or move on.

Have you spoken to your fellow neighbours about it?
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call the police and/or landlord
No most mature adults start by having a word with their neighbor.
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And I cannot take the dog to my place as I am afraid of him and have never had a dog.
You should not be expected to have any interaction with the dog. Your neighbor, however, is expected to take responsibility for the wellbeing of the animal in his charge and not subject his neighbors to incessant noise.
Your first step should be to have a word with the owner, then escalate to the landlord if necessary. Nobody is talking about the police at this step.
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Re: Howling of the dog

As others have said, start with a friendly work with your neighbor. Many of the typical 'Nachbarkrieg' situations could have been avoided if only people would start with a friendly conversation!

Hopefully the neighbor is approachable. Frame the conversation first from the stance of concern that the dog might be bored or unhappy. Every dog owner knows this actually means 'your dog's barking is not acceptable!'.

As a dog owner, I'm hyper aware of the delicate balance between giving my dogs a good life and living in a Swiss fishbowl, so would respond immediately - and gratefully - to a friendly word.

If your friendly overture is not successful, then the next step would be a noise complaint.

Again, first make this complaint to the dog owner. Talking is best, but a letter would be OK too. It's so much easier to solve neighbor problems, and then continue to live harmoniously next to one another, if you can do it without involving authorities.

If those two tries do not bring change, time to get the landlord involved. Write a letter to the landlord, keeping it factual and non-emotional. Then let the landlord take it from there.

As an FYI, here are links to VD dog law:

Summary, in German, courtesy of TierIm Recht:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/waadt/

Text of the law, in French:
https://prestations.vd.ch/pub/blv-pu...a-84702e56b1ef
https://prestations.vd.ch/pub/blv-pu...6-75d09fddf076

To my reading, of particular interest is Art 16:

Art. 16
Sociabilisation et maîtrise
1 Le détenteur doit maintenir une sociabilisation suffisante de son chien envers les êtres humains et les autres animaux.

Which Deepl translates as:
Art. 16
Socialization and control
1 The keeper must maintain sufficient socialization of his dog towards humans and other animals.

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If you are new to the building, perhaps a word with another tenant might also be helpful - getting the measure of how things work in your building/neighborhood might help you to approach the dog owner more successfully.

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I'll go a step further from LP's comment - not only are you not expected to interact with the dog, you should not do so. You don't know the dog's general disposition, training, experience of or behavior towards strangers, fears, 'issues' etc. Interacting with a strange dog without the owner's consent/instructions could have unintended or even negative consequences.

Rather, interact with the owner.

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Bottom line:

A dog barking all day is unacceptable - both for the welfare of the dog and importantly for the peace and comfort of the neighborhood.

There is much the owner can do to mitigate the issue, from training, environment management, getting a dog sitter in, looking for doggie day care, etc. In Switzerland a dog owner is expected to do these things. Don't be afraid to address this directly, but first try to do so in a spirit of friendly neighborliness. More flies with honey, and all that.

Hope a good solution is found for all, two and four footed.
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Re: Howling of the dog

If you're uncomfortable with approaching your neighbor directly about his dog, perhaps you could take a less direct approach and write him an anonymous note. (I suppose that might also depend on how many people live in your building or how many close neighbors you have. i.e. how anonymous you can be).

Perhaps that seems like a bit of a lame approach, but the fact is, it's unfair that you have to deal with the howling and all the more unfair that you should have to feel like "the bad guy" for confronting him about it.

I took the anonymous approach years ago when I lived in a somewhat dangerous neighborhood just outside of Detroit, and the people who lived behind me left their barking dog outside -- just below my bedroom window -- all day, every day (even in the winter). I wrote them an anonymous note, popped it in the mail and lo and behold, the barking stopped a few days later.

Anyways... What's your neighbor going to do when it's zero degrees outside? He can't just leave his dog out all year round. At some point, he's going to have to figure out an alternative. He's probably oblivious to the dog's howling because he's not there to hear it, and I think pet owners sometimes don't perceive their pets the same way that others do.

Good luck! I like dogs, but I think that would drive me crazy -- having to hear someone's dog howling all day.

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Anyways... What's your neighbor going to do when it's zero degrees outside? He can't just leave his dog out all year round.
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Our neighbor had recently got a dog (a huskie, probably)
Not ideal by any means, and I know I'm missing the point, but I think zero degrees for a husky is probably preferable to 35C in summer.
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Re: Howling of the dog

Who gets a husky when he's away all day?

Maybe I'm naive, but I consider little kids and dogs somehow equivalent. You wouldn't leave a little kid alone all day, either.
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Who gets a husky when he's away all day?
Ostir's neighbour.
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Re: Howling of the dog

Today the dog is locked inside and still howling desperstely. I guess, it's even worse for the dig, since he can't even see any living creatures around.

We live in a house for 2 families- one floor for them, one- for us. There are other private houses around as well as appartment blocks. Probably, other people hear this too, but I am the closest. Well, if the dog is locked inside, other neighbours probably do hear him less. But not me.
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Re: Howling of the dog

Mornin' all

We've got the same problem.

Two families in the block approached the dog owners politly. Nothing changed. Approached again, nothing changed. Sent letter to rental/owners of block. Nothing changed.

Approached again... what a coincedence, both of the families cars were vandolised in the underground garage.

What can you do? Instigate third world war or what?

Both families have mooved out now.

As for ourselves, we come home from work at midnight, sleep about 1.30 - 2 ish. The dog starts up at twenty to seven in the morning. Also after lunch when they are off to work again, it starts again.

We've approached the twice in a friendly manner, we've written to the renters (nothing happened) We've gone to the police, they won't get involved. Called the 'tier schuts' people, can do nothing.

Lack of sleep leads to many problems.... one being maybe flipping out and starting world war three!!!!

We've tried everthing... whats left?

oh well (part one (refference to mr mac there))

'ave a great warm day y'all

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Re: Howling of the dog

What did the Tierschutz say?

I would consider taking a membership, making a one-time 500 CHF donation and invite them for a coffee. Maybe you can demonstrate to them that you are really passionate about animals and it brings you to tears hearing that dog howl like a kid left in a dark room alone.

There's usually always something that can be done, if they really want to.

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/de/home...de-halten.html

says: "Dogs cannot be held in kennels alone".

Most Swiss people "do not want to get involved".
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Re: Howling of the dog

Have you contacted the cantonal vet, Greg?


https://www.weu.be.ch/de/start/theme...ll-melden.html


Usually, the police does not like to act as a "conduit".
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Re: Howling of the dog

I know it's awful for the humans having to try to get through their day or being awoken listening to barking and howling dogs but to read these stories of dogs that are just left all alone, so distressed that they call out all day is utterly heartbreaking.

I think it's quite true when people say there are no problem dogs, just problem owners.
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So how can you get a dog to stop howling when the owners are away?
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Of course, it's not a job for the police.

But calling the landlord is not that crazy. If I remember well, most rental contracts says something about small animals allowed, large animals not allowed. Of course the definition of large animal is not specific, giving the landlord great leverage to deal with situations like this.

OP: what's in the rental contract regarding pets? Also, if the dog was not declared when your neighbor applied for the rental, the landlord will be happy to know.
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