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11.12.2022, 22:16
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | I do, every night.
What’s the point in having them if they’re not used? | | | | | I always figured that you closed them if you were going away for some time, for security and to keep the windows clean. Maybe close them in a storm or bad weather for protection, but not for daily use.
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11.12.2022, 23:22
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
Simply closing curtains certainly would take care of any noise caused by blinds. In all the places I've lived, I've used curtains for daily use and have closed the blinds when going on holiday.
I personally can't stand the noise of blinds closing. My own or the neighbours. It's like a scratching noise on a blackboard.... annoying!
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12.12.2022, 08:55
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
That is not allowed:
Noisy household chores during the night's rest, on Sundays or public holidays.
Play drums no matter what time of day.
Playing very loud wind instruments, such as the trumpet, farting, unless the room or the instruments are equipped with professional soundproofing or soundproofing.
Constantly listening to loud music LIVING Battle zone Balcony; more than room volume at rest times.
Permanent handicraft work on Sundays and public holidays or during rest periods.
Lawn mowing on Sundays and public holidays as well as during rest periods.
Bathing at night.
Loud partying into the night.
Arguments during the night's rest.
Wearing high-heeled shoes while sleeping.
Constant slamming of doors.
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12.12.2022, 09:09
| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | That is not allowed:
Noisy household chores during the night's rest, on Sundays or public holidays.
Play drums no matter what time of day.
Playing very loud wind instruments, such as the trumpet, farting, unless the room or the instruments are equipped with professional soundproofing or soundproofing.
Constantly listening to loud music LIVING Battle zone Balcony; more than room volume at rest times.
Permanent handicraft work on Sundays and public holidays or during rest periods.
Lawn mowing on Sundays and public holidays as well as during rest periods.
Bathing at night.
Loud partying into the night.
Arguments during the night's rest.
Wearing high-heeled shoes while sleeping.
Constant slamming of doors. | | | | | You forgot flushing the toilet after 10 pm.
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12.12.2022, 09:17
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | You forgot flushing the toilet after 10 pm. | | | | | Whilst wearing stilettos.
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12.12.2022, 10:23
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
Or simply buy some slippers? 
I have noticed that many people are used to walk bare foot here. Unfortunately doing that makes a lot of noise on parquet wood flooring. | Quote: | |  | | | I believe that you have taken all the right actions until now:
Once being made aware of the situation, you also contacted your adjacent neighbours, and showed an absolute willingness to try to solve the situation together. Did the complaining neighbour experience neighbours in your apartment previous to you? It is my guess that she did, and any measures to resolve the situation brought no improvement. So, regardless of the time that she hears the noise, she is able to make a complaint to the landlord as a breach of the rental agreement only when occurring between 10pm and 7am.
Having a new apartment unfortunately is no protection against poor sound insulation when floor-heating is also present.
I am in exactly the same situation currently. Moved in March as the first tenant in a new building of high building standard, noticed I could hear the footsteps above me (but absolutely nothing else like TV, voices etc.), but it was bearable. After returning from a 3 month trip away however, I noticed the footstep noise had massively increased. So much so that it often caused my furniture to vibrate!
It was also impossible to go to bed before they did - which was often not until 00:30. It totally screwed up my natural sleep routine.
I approached all the adjacent neighbours, including the ones above and below, having already concluded that it was noise-transfer through the flooring. All were extremely friendly and helpful - we developed an system where they offered I could text them when I heard something, and they would do the same. We made several ‚walking tests‘ to determine at which level of footsteps the disturbance began to occur, and I kept a calendar of when it occurred over a period of 2 weeks. After which point it became clear which apartment the disturbance emanated from, after having recognised a distinct pattern in the routine.
Wanting to retain an already excellent relationship with those neighbours, I approached them in a non-confrontational way, and they recognised immediately their pattern (family with 2 young kids).
Since then, they make best efforts to adjust their walk - and the disturbance has reduced considerably. However, there is a clear „problematic“ in the sound insulation between all the apartments when it comes to footsteps. As mentioned - there is no transfer of any other types of noise whatsoever.
At one point I considered what my options were. I fully accept the normal childrens noise, and it doesn‘t bother me. However I could not think of anyway of being able to complain in such a way that would force the building management to examine the underlying issue, except than stating a breach of „Hausruhe“ rules. Luckily, I did not have to do that. Anyway, long-story-short:
In your position I would personally first write a factual (non-confrontational email) to the Hausverwaltung, stating your situation. Also stating that the complaining neighbour below has been un-willing to try to resolve the situation so that you may have an understanding of the problem.
And then request that they advise on the best steps to resolve the situation, with your full cooperation.
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12.12.2022, 10:29
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | Whilst wearing stilettos. | | | | |
You'd be surprised how kinky some folk are !! | 
12.12.2022, 10:50
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | Simply closing curtains certainly would take care of any noise caused by blinds. In all the places I've lived, I've used curtains for daily use and have closed the blinds when going on holiday.
I personally can't stand the noise of blinds closing. My own or the neighbours. It's like a scratching noise on a blackboard.... annoying! | | | | | In my opinion, one of the problems with this solution is that not every apartment is fitted with double curtains tracks or trails, I don't know how they're called exactly, in English.
For instance I have only one set of very light, almost transparent curtains because this is how our system has been built in and having blinds has postponed any "improvement" I may have wanted to make to our apartment, at some point. Basically, these ones which are purely decorative, wouldn't stop the light coming from outside and hanging the heavy types, made out of dense and opaque fabrics is out of the question as I don't really enjoy having no curtain at all during the day.
So it's either a double set of curtains and no blinders or one set of semi-transparent curtains during daylight and blinders during night.
I would say it's rather costly to have two sets of curtains and it takes more effort to keep them clean especially when one has a dust allergy..
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12.12.2022, 11:27
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | I always figured that you closed them if you were going away for some time, for security and to keep the windows clean. Maybe close them in a storm or bad weather for protection, but not for daily use. | | | | | Sun rises around 5h30-6h00 in the Summer. Not everyone wants to wake up at that time, so blinders are a really effective way to block sunlight and sleep until desired. So, open then for the day, close them for the night, daily.
There's also winter. Last night I closed blinders to minimize heating consumption around 17h00. We only kept the living room blinder open because it has a nice view to the local church covered with snow. But, when I went to sleep also closed it. Open them once again in the morning.
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12.12.2022, 12:08
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | I always figured that you closed them if you were going away for some time, for security and to keep the windows clean. Maybe close them in a storm or bad weather for protection, but not for daily use. | | | | | Actually, you should open them in a storm. They are normally covered for hail damage but not for damage due to the wind.
As they are shiny, they reflect the sun so keeping them down on hot days in the summer keeps the house cool.
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12.12.2022, 12:24
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
Unless the OP is opening/closing external blinds in the middle of the night I don't see how this could possibly bother anybody.
Being afraid to walk in your apartment because of your neighbour is no way to live.
I've lived in a number of apartments and sometimes I heard noise from the next floor up, sometimes music, drilling or moving furniture, but never people walking (strangely, dogs walking is something easier to hear) and this includes really old, poorly built apartments.
If I were the OP I would say I don't make any loud noise and ask for clarification, recordings, have the person come to me exactly after they hear the noise so I can understand the issue.
Otherwise it's a bs complaint or the OP isn't telling everything.
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12.12.2022, 12:37
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | Your neighbor lady could very well be hyper-sensitive to noise, but unfortunately, I can relate, because I am as well. The slightest noise can wake me up, especially if I don't sleep with a sound machine or ear plugs.
Roller blinds can be very loud, and especially if they're open or closed very quickly. My neighbor has woken me up a few times because he closed the metal blinds so fast rather than slowly and gently inching them down (that tends to happen in the summer when I have my window open at night).
As for shoes... Most people don't wear shoes in the house here (only slippers or socks). Maybe check to see what the soles on your slippers are like and if they could be making too much thumping noise for the woman below, and if so, get something with a softer sole. I don't think it's logical for anyone to expect you to carpet your entire house, but maybe the right kind of slippers would help.
Also, I would ask your neighbor what time she usually goes to bed so that maybe you can set an alarm as a reminder and get in the habit of trying to close your blinds before then and also maybe then you'd know what time you should start to be more aware of your noise. I think we often aren't aware of the noise we make, and of course other people hear our noise differently than we do. But of course, your neighbor also needs to realize that having to hear noise from you now and then is just "par for the course" with living beneath someone.
Anyways, I hope you can get it sorted out. Living in such close proximity to other people that aren't a part of our own household is rarely easy. I'm thankful that the little girl who lives above us is no longer in the toddler stage and constantly stomping about.  | | | | | What’s a sound machine? | 
12.12.2022, 13:58
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | What’s a sound machine?  | | | | | A machine that makes sounds
Like pink noise, white noise etc. I have a friend who's got one and can even make the sound of crickets.
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12.12.2022, 14:10
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | Unless the OP is opening/closing external blinds in the middle of the night I don't see how this could possibly bother anybody.
Being afraid to walk in your apartment because of your neighbour is no way to live. | | | | | I completely agree - if one lives in an apartment, of course they will hear their neighbors sometimes and it may even annoy them - but there is nothing they can do about it.
Unless it is excessive or in the middle of the night, live and let live. If someone cannot absolutely handle the sound of walking above them, they should move to a top floor apartment or to a single family home (if they can afford it). Nobody should have to walk on egg shells in their own home because of unrealistic expectations of an easily perturbed neighbor.
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12.12.2022, 23:30
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord | Quote: | |  | | | I always figured that you closed them if you were going away for some time, for security and to keep the windows clean. Maybe close them in a storm or bad weather for protection, but not for daily use. | | | | | As a few have mentioned or hinted at, the shutters are great for thermal management:
Close them during the day on the hottest days of summer, to prevent the apartment heating up too much.
Close them overnight during the colder months, to avoid using excessive heating.
As for the sound, OP, unless you're sleepwalking or having raves overnight, there shouldn't be "excessive" noise between 10 & 7. Perhaps you're opening the shutters in the morning before 7, since you have to get ready &/or leave before then, but hopefully that wouldn't be too loud.
I'd stick with the letter to the landlord for now, but keep some of the other ideas in reserve (such as having a friend test things out while you're downstairs with the annoyed neighbour).
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13.12.2022, 12:09
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
If all else fails, and you're pretty confident that you aren't making excess noise by wearing high-heels or hiking boots in your apartment, the other thing you could do is turn the tables on the neighbour.
Write a letter to your landlord with a long list of things that you believe your neighbour is doing: - Vacuuming on a Sunday.
- TV on too loud late at night.
- Trombone practice during the lunchtime curfew.
- Running a bath at 3am.
- Singing along loudly to the radio at 4 in the morning.
- Practicing battle re-enactments in the middle of the night.
and so on...
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14.12.2022, 00:35
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
OP hasn't been on since a few hours after starting the thread more than four days ago ...
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14.12.2022, 17:17
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
I'm still around and appreciate all the feedback from everyone.
I'll update the thread when I get a response from the rental agency. Hopefully I can get this resolved soon.
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15.12.2022, 11:15
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord
Good that you have written a letter to the landlords as this creates a paper trail. | Quote: | |  | | | I'm still around and appreciate all the feedback from everyone. 
I'll update the thread when I get a response from the rental agency. Hopefully I can get this resolved soon. | | | | | | This user would like to thank nickatbasel for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Neighbour complained about noise to landlord UPDATE for those curious: It’s been around a month since they first sent me the noise complaint letter.
In that time, I’ve sent them a registered letter explaining how I’ve spoken to all my neighbours on my floor level and they don’t hear any noise coming from my flat. I specifically wrote all the names of the neighbours and their contact details in my response letter (the neighbours all offered to personally vouch for me). I’ve asked the rental agency for further instructions and offered for them to pass my cellphone number to anyone who who hears “immense noise”.
In the same letter, I also very kindly pointed out some things that they offered to fix in the autumn and still haven’t (paper trail dating back to early September, and another reminder I sent in November and December which went ignored). Some of the things are quite serious - one of the heating batteries doesn’t work in a room, which makes it very cold in the winter time.
They got around to finally responding to me this week but they completely ignored anything to do with the noise complaint. They only responded with a few sentences by asking to resend them the documents about the issues they promised to fix (paperwork they already have).
At this point I’m quite frustrated with the rental agency.
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