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Know anything about Hirzel (Is it a good place to live in?) Anyone.. Bueller..Bueller

Hello EFers!
I tried searching for information on Hirzel from 'housing in general' threads, but haven't found a lot of info, hence am asking for any opinions on living in the area.
We're thinking about buying a house that we've seen in Hirzel, we'd be moving from Kilchberg, where we currently rent.
Below are some questions that I'm requesting any info on:
Ie: 1) Good, friendly, safe place for foreigners to live in?
2) Is there some way of finding out if (and by how much) property values have gone up in the Hirzel area in the last couple of years.
3) Any helpful comments from people who live in the area now or have experienced it in the past. AND
4) What do you think of the rental market in Hirzel? If we were to move in a couple of years, we'd need to rent the house, preferably to fellow foreigners. Would this be a good area for potential expat families?
Thanks in advance for any helpful/insightful comments that you might be able to pass on. Much appreciate this forum for potential help on such topics.
Thanks again
WC.

Last edited by world citizen; 23.10.2008 at 20:53. Reason: Editing because I noticed another housing question similarly worded, got a lot more attention & replies.
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Old 06.11.2008, 17:13
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Re: Living in Hirzel

Hello WC,
I see no-one has replied so far... So guess it's not so popular with Englishforum members. In fact Hirzel has about one third of the amount of foreigners as the surrounding area, and is fairly right wing (SVP) politically. It's a small nice village with just a few shops but a bit remote from public transport (trains) and there are big queues on the road daily towards Shilbrugg.

Here is a link to some info from Homegate.ch
http://www.homegate.ch/gemeindeinfo/...132-de-efh.pdf
and from the local council (Gemeinde) etc (in German)
http://www.hirzel.ch/portraet/zahlen_und_fakten/

The local taxes there are quite high - 123% compared to about 95% in Horgen, and lower in Thalwil. We live in Horgen and would like to buy and Hirzel is in our area of interest - we also recently viewed a house there for sale (maybe same one?).

Are you still interested in the house? Did you find out something about the area or house that put you off, or are you going ahead?
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Re: Living in Hirzel

Glendyn, You are right! It's definitely not popular with EFers. But thanks again for your comments... we did really like a house there despite it not being very commuter friendly for public transport users. Unfortunately the house was sold to another buyer, not us so the search goes on. But I did wonder, like you mentioned - why there weren't as many foreigners there, I'd thought it was because it's fairly small and not well connected. But being surrounded by SVP supporters doesn't sound appealing.
Oh well, the hirzel house was not meant to be for us... Good luck in your house search though!
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Re: Living in Hirzel

So reviving this thread after nearly 4 years, I have the same questions as the OP.

Is anyone living in Hirzel, or do you have any comments to make on the village?.

I hope the thread attracts more interest this time round.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

I've moved a few people out of Hirzel and all for the same reason, dull, remote and a pain with public transport so a car becomes essential, so guess not much changes. Seems expats go there as it seems ok and cheaper than other places, but soon get fed up of the tumbleweed and get out when their rental contract allows.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

I know a few people in Hirzel and they all seem to like it...they say that quite a few foreigners have come in recent years and they seem to have a good community with meet ups, social life etc.

Not sure if you have kids to consider? If i remember rightly, due to the influx of people the local schools can be quite full, some talk of kids going to school in Horgen though I am sure that others can better advise you...
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Re: Living in Hirzel

Kids are the reason. Need a bigger home and there's more meters per chf than down by the lakeside. Fortunately we have 3-4 years before they start school.
It's good to hear that there are other expats and an established social scene.
It also looks good for the drive to work, with the A3 being a convenient distance and some reasonable ski areas not too far (Eg. Hoch Ybrig).
Thanks for your post.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

We lived there for 3 years, and I didn't like it. Too small, no public transport directly down into Sihlbrugg and Canton Zug. We moved to Switzerland and chose where to live mainly based on the accommodation, and the Hirzel apartment that we lived in was very nice. I often said if I could pick it up and put it in a different town it would have been perfect! There is also A LOT more snow up there than down in Horgen or down in Baar/Zug (literally 10 mins drive in either direction). Winter goes on and on.........
So far as the Kindergarten rules go (if you are still there when your kids turn 4), be careful where in hirzel you live. there are 3 Kindergartens, 2 in the village and one in the middle of a cow field 2km from the village. Don't live higher up the main street than Chalbisauweg or you are in trouble!! Don't assume that because you live in the village and there is a Kindergarten 200m away that your child will get a place there. Then be prepared that the school board will expect your 4 year old to walk alone that 2km through nowhere, with no pavements in the dark when it is the winter. If they get placed up in the Höchi then that is in all probability for 2 years of Kindergarten and then the first 3 years of school before they are allowed to join the village school.
I guess it depends on what you want. If you like a very quiet, middle of nowhere, lots of snow, lots of cows, small village, then its the place for you. The local Doctor's surgery is very good though and there are some nice walks (if you like hiking) and the author of Heidi came from there so there is a museum open for 2 hours per week for some culture...........
Its the sort of place it would be nice to go to for a long weekend, admire the views and then move on.
Taxes are high too, so that might be worth considering.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

Hirzel is beautiful, no doubt.

All the things that are a negative for others would be a positive to me. But then, I'm a hermit. I'd love to live out that way - open spaces, chance for a larger plot of land, a more 'landlich' character which would suit my lifestyle better - and closer to the emergency vet.

However, the taxes would kill me. Even though house prices are far less expensive than Ausserschwyz, we figured it would at least double our living costs - and possibly more - due to the taxes. So Hirzel would be impossible for us.

If you are on Quellensteuer in Kt. ZH, you won't see a difference - but if not, do be sure to run some calculations for your individual situation.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

A Colleague is living in Hirzel, it is ok, when you like it quiet and away from the city.
You will need min. one car because the public car is an issue there, personal I would not recommend it to live there (there is nothing going on).
By Bus you will need about 30 mins to Horgen (Saturday afternoon or Sundays
same as Hirzel), the S Bahn to Zurich HB takes around 20 mins , don't know if there are good shopping possibilities around.
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Re: Living in Hirzel

Thanks everyone for your insights. I have responded to the points that seem to be the bigger detractions for living in Hirzel. They are mainly for my own purpose, to put them down in writing somewhere and maybe to just show a more positive spin for future readers of this thread.

I did get a laugh at the cultural highlight though, the "Johanna-Spyri-Museum" being opened 2 hours per week. I'll have to check that out first, it could be a deal breaker.


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There is also A LOT more snow up there than down in Horgen or down in Baar/Zug (literally 10 mins drive in either direction). Winter goes on and on.........
That's a plus point for us, rather snow than rain.

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Don't live higher up the main street than Chalbisauweg or you are in trouble!!
Very good point, we have already investigated kindy for the kids. We would be in the village.

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It's only a 20min drive to Zürich! I last lived on the central coast in Western Australia, from my perspective there is nowhere remote in Switzerland unless you live in a SAC hut.

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If you are on Quellensteuer in Kt. ZH, you won't see a difference
Another good point, now living in Wädi, the difference is marginal and is far outweighed by the price differences.

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when you like it quiet and away from the city.
By Bus you will need about 30 mins to Horgen
I drive and work in the city, the commute is shorter than my current one and I am not so happy to live in the city. I can hit the city after work when I need some Züri action.
The bus connection is so far our biggest concern. A small 2nd car is an option if it becomes too painful.

Cheers to you posters. I would still like to hear from someone who lives there though.
Perhaps their social life is too busy to be EFing!

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Re: Living in Hirzel

You're right about my "middle of nowhere" being a bit over dramatic! It is 20mins to Zurich in the car and 15 minutes to Zug, 30 mins to Lucerne. However without a car it is hard. There is the bus service, but it's one bus per hour to Horgen or one bus per hour to Waedenswil. I think the buses to Horgen are timed to have a short connection time for the train to Zurich, and on occaision that the train from Zurich is late I believe the bus sometimes waits.
I'm glad you got the Kindergarten confirmed that you would get one of the village Kindergartens. we lived in the village, but our daughter got assigned to the Höchi Kindergarten. Apparently the "rule" is that 5 Kindergarteners from the village have to go to the Höchi regardless of whether the other Kindergartens are full or not. They start at the top of the village and work down, so the lower down you live the better! A rough boundary is Chalbisauweg, but it all depends on the number of Kindergarten kids as to how low down the village they go.
Oh and I forgot to mention the biggest day in the social calendar - the annual cow show - it takes place around the beginning of October I think, schools are closed and traffic is stopped as the cows race down the main street on the way to the show! There is also a Chilbi (usually in July I think) which is fun for a couple of hours especially for the little kids (there are no bigger rides). If you are there with Kindergarten kids then you get the events connected with that, the turnip lantern walk, Samiclaus parade, which are nice to see.
I still wouldn't recommend to live there but I guess if you want peace and quiet, and you have a couple of cars................
Be prepared early for winter, have good tyres to get up the hills from Horgen to Hirzel (on the days where there is a sudden unexpected 4" of snow within 30 mins). there were a few occaisions where we had to watch out for the unprepared drivers sliding back down or getting stranded at the sides of the road!
Learn the back roads via Höchi to get down to Sihlbrugg for the days when the Hirzel to Sihlbrugg mainroad is an hours traffic jam too.
Good Luck!
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So reviving this thread after nearly 4 years, I have the same questions as the OP.

Is anyone living in Hirzel, or do you have any comments to make on the village?.

I hope the thread attracts more interest this time round.
Hirzel is great. We live in one of the most populated parts of the village...and it is not a "quiet nor isolated"- in the styx type of place.

The local school in the main village is great. Lived here 3.5 years and have had the kids go from international school to the local one- very positive experiences.

25 mins into ZRH without traffic. Plenty of perfect snow!!! We get more sunshine up here in winter than down by the lake.

Public transport to ZRH 17-19 mins post auto to Horgen BH and then 17 mins on the S2.

Culture- plenty of it and the kids are exposed to this first hand thru the school system.

30mins to Luzern, 10 mins to Zug.

Best local cherries and bread!

Plenty of sensible expats and more importantly some really great local people! Hooroo!!!

oh forgot if you can't make the 2 hour slot to visit the museum you just have to pick up the phone and organise a time to better suit...comes n handy with all the visiting rellies and friends.
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