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swisstoni 06.11.2008 13:13

Chimney Sweep...[Fireplace Chimney Check]
 
I keep getting hassled by the local chimney sweep, who wants to sweep our chimney....I keep trying to explain to him, that we don't use the fireplace. Anyway his latest argument is that it's the law that all chimney's have to swept once a year regardless if it used or not....Is this true??

Thanks

möpp 06.11.2008 13:20

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As far as I know, it is mandatory that chimneys have to be cleaned periodically. It's a requirement of the Cantonal Fire Police and the building insurance. It's probably best to check with your local authorities on this. If you live in your own house then it's your responsibility; if you live in a rented apartment, check with the rental agency.

Here's a link for the Canton Zurich - pages 5, 6, 7 show which kind of heating systems' chimneys have to be professionally cleaned how often:
http://www.gvz.ch/FEUERPOLIZEI/Porta...ngsanlagen.pdf

P.S. I just saw that if a chimney is used only very seldom (or, in your case, not at all) then it must still be checked periodically (this applies for Cant. Zurich). The relevant Cantonal department will be able to tell you how often.

Verbier 06.11.2008 13:33

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In the canton of Vaud it is a legal requirement. The receipt is your proof that it was cleaned if there is a fire in the building.

I rent the apt. and I pay for the cleaning. This may of course vary by the rental agreement that you have.

Jekyll 06.11.2008 13:36

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The chimney for your oil or gas fired boiler needs to be cleaned once per year by law.

My experience is that there is no legal requirement for normal fireplace chimneys (my chimney sweep refused to clean ours saying it wasn't dirty enough)

AbFab 06.11.2008 13:47

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I refused to have the 1 metre long flue of my gas central heating boiler swept by our local sweep.

They announced they were coming by post card and arrived as they had promised with dirty faces top hats and coils of chimney clean things. I asked how much it would cost. They replied that it was the accounts department that sent out bills and they didn't know.

I also asked them if could tell me how much soot is produced by a gas heating boiler. They had no idea, so I enlightened them: none.

They threatened to inform the fire police. Who indeed phoned the next day to explain that it was a Cantonal law (ZH) that all heating chimney should be swept every 2 years. I asked why we had not seen a chimney sweep for the 5 previous years - no answer.

I asked the soot question. He at least knew that only CO2 and water are produced. I informed him that there are approximately 15 million gas boilers in the UK and wondered if he could tell me how many were swept. The answer is none.

In the end the Fire guy agreed that it was stupid and that like typewriter repair men, our local chimney sweeps should seek new employment and that if I took full responsibility for the chimney I could be exempt.

I should add that we paid over CHF400 for a service/maintenance contract and even paid the Fire Police CHF35 to inspect the system when commissioned.

So tell them to clear off. If you don't let them in the the door they can do nothing...

Verbier 06.11.2008 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 344542)
The chimney for your oil or gas fired boiler needs to be cleaned once per year by law.

My experience is that there is no legal requirement for normal fireplace chimneys (my chimney sweep refused to clean ours saying it wasn't dirty enough)


In the canton of Vaud, you have to clean fireplace chimneys. It is confirmed that the renter pays for the cleaning unless you have a rental agreement that includes all expenses. Details/link in French:

http://www.ramoneurs-vd.ch/proprieta...s_ramonage.htm

swisstoni 06.11.2008 13:52

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Many thanks to all replies...I do live in Vaud..so perhaps I will be less dismissive when he next calls

Thanks

Nickj 06.11.2008 14:18

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We use our fire most nights in the winter, so are happy to have a sweep once a year, here in Fribourg it costs CHf85 so feel it's worth it considering the amount of use our fire has.

Guest 06.11.2008 15:46

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I had the same issue with the local chimney sweep company. I told the guy I was using it less than 10 times a year and he agreed with me to do it once every two years instead.

grantley 09.11.2008 09:16

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I think this is a jobs for the boys game.
We had our chimney swept and boiler checked out by the local sweep a year after moving in to a brand-new aprtment. There then began a series of problems with the boiler which resulted in significant inconvenience and expense. When I sent the bills to the chimney sweep he didn't even acknowledge my letter, let alone pay them.
When he next announced his intention to visit us we refused. We then entere into correspodnece with a number of cantonal departments I didn't know existed as well as the commune.
Bottom-line - and many letters and official appeals later - we are obliged to have the work done and the chimney sweep in question has the monoply in our commune. The syndique (mayor) did not consider that we had grounds for refusing him.
I learnt afterwards that in many communes the monopoly on chimney sweeping is awarded on the basis of under-the-table sweetners to local councilors and that Joe Punter has no chance of fighting against what is another example of the no-competion, screw-the-customer, Swiss approach. :mad:

Jekyll 09.11.2008 09:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grantley (Post 346078)
I think this is a jobs for the boys game.
We had our chimney swept and boiler checked out by the local sweep a year after moving in to a brand-new aprtment. There then began a series of problems with the boiler which resulted in significant inconvenience and expense. When I sent the bills to the chimney sweep he didn't even acknowledge my letter, let alone pay them.
When he next announced his intention to visit us we refused. We then entere into correspodnece with a number of cantonal departments I didn't know existed as well as the commune.
Bottom-line - and many letters and official appeals later - we are obliged to have the work done and the chimney sweep in question has the monoply in our commune. The syndique (mayor) did not consider that we had grounds for refusing him.
I learnt afterwards that in many communes the monopoly on chimney sweeping is awarded on the basis of under-the-table sweetners to local councilors and that Joe Punter has no chance of fighting against what is another example of the no-competion, screw-the-customer, Swiss approach. :mad:

At least here in Aargau, you can use anyone you want for the sweeping and the emissions check. You will receive a proposal from the appointed Gemeinde sweep but as long as you or your chosen sweep file your documentation before the deadline then you are covered.

By the way, prices for the obligatory inspections are fixed at the Cantonal (maybe even federal level). If the guy is servicing your boiler then of course it is a different story. The service is not obligatory and you can use whoever you want to do the work.

swisstoni 10.11.2008 10:36

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He came and swept today...it took less than 5mins (given that we haven't used the fire), not doubt the bill won't reflect this. On speaking with my neighbour he asssues me they are the equivalent of the local mafia and beyond the law

AbFab 10.11.2008 10:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swisstoni (Post 346558)
He came and swept today...it took less than 5mins (given that we haven't used the fire), not doubt the bill won't reflect this. On speaking with my neighbour he asssues me they are the equivalent of the local mafia and beyond the law

Well they've won again. You should have simply said 'no' and not let them in your property. Expect a bill in excess of CHF100...

c123 05.10.2010 13:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by möpp (Post 344531)
Here's a link for the Canton Zurich - pages 5, 6, 7 show which kind of heating systems' chimneys have to be professionally cleaned how often:
http://www.gvz.ch/FEUERPOLIZEI/Porta...ngsanlagen.pdf

P.S. I just saw that if a chimney is used only very seldom (or, in your case, not at all) then it must still be checked periodically (this applies for Cant. Zurich). The relevant Cantonal department will be able to tell you how often.

Wanted to ask about a chimney sweep, and by the powers of search came across this thread. We are in the Canton of Zuerich, and going by the PDF linked above, we just need to get the chimney (not main source of heating, will only occasionally be used, and just for wood) checked out every 5 years.

Will post back how much it cost onece done.

Ouchboy 05.10.2010 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 346572)
Well they've won again. You should have simply said 'no' and not let them in your property. Expect a bill in excess of CHF100...

I hope they did a show first...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_txOWjhFJOD...mneysweeps.jpg

c123 05.10.2010 14:28

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Cor blimey me old mucker!

smackerjack 05.10.2010 15:56

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When he comes to sweep our chimneys in our building I note that in our accounts if you use your chimney at all you are billed around 70 odd francs - however if he checks your chimney and you have not used it you are billed about 10 chfs - that is in VD.

NotAllThere 07.03.2012 20:38

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Five years in our house... and now we have a sweep. Can't get rid of them. Apparently snipers and mantraps are illegal.

For anyone in Baselland, the relevant laws and tariffs are here:

Laws: http://www.baselland.ch/761-111-htm.301803.0.html
Fees: http://www.baselland.ch/761-17-htm.301805.0.html

Nice work if you can get it - 60CHF just for turning up. It's going to be fun. We don't use our fireplace, haven't in 5 years and never intend to use it. Our heating is gas, and we have a service contract which gets it serviced every year.

We'll have a chat with our Gemeinde office tomorrow, and with the company that services our boiler. Any bill we get will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb.

Our next door neighbours are going to have even more fun. They removed their fireplace four years ago...

Guest 07.03.2012 20:50

Re: Chimney Sweep...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swisstoni (Post 344521)
I keep getting hassled by the local chimney sweep, who wants to sweep our chimney....I keep trying to explain to him, that we don't use the fireplace. Anyway his latest argument is that it's the law that all chimney's have to swept once a year regardless if it used or not....Is this true??

Thanks

Are you in a flat or your own house? What sort of central heating have you got?

In Neuchatel it is compulsory. We have to pay ECAP which is a compulsory fire insurance, no choice in the matter. The Commune would send the cops if you refused, and your fire insurance would be nul and void in case of a fire- even if the cause is totally separate from your chimney. My old dad complained to his mate who was the chimney sweep that it was a licence to print money, the guy replied 'Ben André, t'avais qu'à faire ramoneur' in his strong Bernese accent
'Well André, why didn't you become a chimney sweep'.

We use our wood burner all the time though, and have oil central heating- so fair enough.

Puhutes 07.03.2012 23:03

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The other responses are correct... it is the law. Our guy comes twice a year (whether we want him to or not) :msnsarcastic:

ElggDK 07.03.2012 23:47

Does anyone know if it also is the local sweep who has to come by and approve a new fireplace/"Sweden Ofen"?

I have ditched the old one and will soon be putting up a new one on the exact same spot.

It is in Graubünden ;-)

Puhutes 08.03.2012 00:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElggDK (Post 1507212)
Does anyone know if it also is the local sweep who has to come by and approve a new fireplace/"Sweden Ofen"?

I have ditched the old one and will soon be putting up a new one on the exact same spot.

It is in Graubünden ;-)

Just asked my husband and he said yes... you need to contact them to inspect correct installation and what not

ElggDK 08.03.2012 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puhutes (Post 1507222)
Just asked my husband and he said yes... you need to contact them to inspect correct installation and what not

Ok.....say thanks to hubby.

AbFab 08.03.2012 00:55

Re: Chimney Sweep...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ElggDK (Post 1507212)
Does anyone know if it also is the local sweep who has to come by and approve a new fireplace/"Sweden Ofen"?

I have ditched the old one and will soon be putting up a new one on the exact same spot.

It is in Graubünden ;-)

It is more likely to be the Feuerpolizei who will need to inspect it. They will charge for the inspection too, but not nearly as much as the leaches called chimney sweeps...

catandmouse 08.03.2012 10:56

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Being Switzerland, this is different from one canton to the next.
Nevertheless, having your chimney swept is a legal obligation most places. In the canton of Vaud where I live the chimney sweeps are in a closed guild so you don't have a choice. Having said that, the person (actually a lady) who comes to our place is very pleasant and polite about the whole business.
The central heating gets checked every year and that includes a check of the emissions to ensure that they are in conformance with legislation (with the appropriate sticker give as a reward). The living room fireplace, she usually pokes her head up quickly and it only gets swept if she decides it's necessary (every 3 or 4 years or so). We don't get charged for her poking her head into the fireplace.

Mikers 20.01.2015 11:03

Sex [Fireplace Chimney Check]
 
..has nothing to do with this posting, which concerns Chimney servicing in Switzerland.

We have recently bought a house which has a working fireplace. While we are enjoying the heat of our wood burning away, it makes me wonder about whether a chimney-check is either recommended (what frequency ?) or knowing Switzerland more likely its a law. Can anyone help with any information about what is required ?

thanks

hannah'sauntie 20.01.2015 11:04

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Made me look though!
Sorry, know nothing about chimneys. :o

olygirl 20.01.2015 11:08

Re: Sex
 
I know a good gynocologist. PM me for more details.

grumpygrapefruit 20.01.2015 11:08

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You need your chimney cleaned once a year, it's the law (at least in St Gallen).

Mikers 20.01.2015 11:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 2323139)
You need your chimney cleaned once a year, it's the law (at least in St Gallen).

It may sound like a piss take but in all seriousness you look up a chimney sweep and get him round to do it I take it then ? or do they have some fancy title now since mary poppins days ?

John_H 20.01.2015 11:22

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In VAUD, cleaning out your pipe each year is mandatory. You get a certificate from the official pipe cleaner to say it's done.

You know that mandatory fire insurance, ECA? Well they will ask to see your cleaning certificate in case of a fire claim.

Ours was cleaned in September, they just leave a card in the mailbox saying which day they are coming. If you missed it, suggest you call them.

Here's a starting point

And yes, they actually wear a top hat and red scarf and have black faces. Just like in Mary Poppins

Nil 20.01.2015 11:37

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So you chimney needs a good scrubbing, eh? Wink wink!

:D

The_Love_Doctor 20.01.2015 11:44

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Call me a spoil sport but this thread has been reported.

Glendyn 20.01.2015 11:48

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Come on baby light my fire...

Our sweep (Kaminfeger) in ZH cleans and looks at it and says call me again in about 5 years. Or looks at it and says it's OK. Also applicable for external chimney in a garden house. There is a book you should have in the house with a record of the sweeps carried out in which it needs to be recorded.

Beware burning ANYTHING in the chimney except wood supplied for the purpose. THey can taks ash samples for analysis to see if you have burnt other stuff like wood with preservative/paint/varnish from pallets etc. I got a telling off as he found some nails in the ash... I explained that it was just from the natural wood crate (with bark etc) that the firewood came in - but he said also not OK.

amogles 20.01.2015 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 2323139)
You need your chimney cleaned once a year, it's the law (at least in St Gallen).

Can I get a prostitute to do it and will the health insurance pay?

Tasebo 20.01.2015 11:58

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...every 5 years sounds a bit suspicious. In our parts we get a card once a year with date/time the Kaminfeger will turn up. He checks all the outlets from wood-burning stoves and the oil burner, uses an industrial-type vacuum to clean out the debris, and 30-40 minutes later he is off to the neighbour.

A week later the bill arrives in the post:msnsad:

rpf 20.01.2015 13:13

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... the fire inspector may pay you an occasional visit and check the dryness of the wood you're burning and have you enlight a fire. He won't be pleased watching you starting a fire with old newspapers (printers' ink!).

AbFab 20.01.2015 13:19

Re: Sex
 
Useful subject title...

you may want to refer to this post from 2010: http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-lif...ney-sweep.html

me.anon 20.01.2015 13:26

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It is not regulated by law if it is between consenting adults, and carried out in private. By why in front of an open fire ?

SOBEIT 20.01.2015 13:26

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Seven years on, anyone recommend a chimney sweep in and around Zh?


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