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City center vs. village life

My husband has been transferred to Morges and we are moving from the US in March, '09. I fear, from lurking on this forum, that we are those dreaded people, the executives (my husband, not me!) with the big budgets and the helpful relocation firm, but we have questions, too, so try to be kind.

We have been looking for a rental property from Nyon to Lutry and have found two that look promising. One is a house on the lake near Rolle and one is an apartment in the center of Lausanne. My question is, knowing what you know now, will I, as the "trailing spouse", (what a horrible phrase), find it considerably more difficult to make friends if we live near a village as opposed to in the city?

I am more than willing to meet all kinds of people, join groups, improve my French, whatever it takes to acclimate. I'm just wondering if I'm making it harder on myself if we don't locate in a larger city.

Thanks in advance for your advice. Riki C.
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Re: City center vs. village life

If your house is in the middle of nowhere, then it could be more difficult to make friends, but cities can be lonely to. Normal people can make friends anywhere so small town big city.... same difference, just a different approach, and it sounds like you are an outgoing type so that's a big plus.

I think that country wins evertime, peace and quiet, fresh air, whenever you want it, with a short trip to a town or city for what you want, retail therapy, going to the gym etc etc. I also think it's more neighbourly in a smaller community, people have time.
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My husband has been transferred to Morges and we are moving from the US in March, '09. I fear, from lurking on this forum, that we are those dreaded people, the executives (my husband, not me!) with the big budgets and the helpful relocation firm, but we have questions, too, so try to be kind.

We have been looking for a rental property from Nyon to Lutry and have found two that look promising. One is a house on the lake near Rolle and one is an apartment in the center of Lausanne. My question is, knowing what you know now, will I, as the "trailing spouse", (what a horrible phrase), find it considerably more difficult to make friends if we live near a village as opposed to in the city?

I am more than willing to meet all kinds of people, join groups, improve my French, whatever it takes to acclimate. I'm just wondering if I'm making it harder on myself if we don't locate in a larger city.

Thanks in advance for your advice. Riki C.
You definitely have the right attitude to acclimate. If I were you,
I would pick Nyon or Morges over a smaller village like Rolle. There
are more expats in Nyon, not sure about Morges though. Lausanne
is only 10 min or so from Morges. Have you all thought about
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Re: City center vs. village life

I live in a village between Morges and Lausanne, and my husband works in Rolle. The entire coast strip is crawling with expat types, so you will be able to meet people wherever you are. I think it would be a different situation if you went inwards, away from the Lake - then I think you'd really need to have either small children, or good French, or ideally both, to be able to mingle.

So feel free to base it on whether you're city types or not. I personally like country, and find that the pace of life in villages and their small populations are more conducive to striking up friendships. But then we have small children, so can't take advantage of city nightlife and the regular socials organised on these boards and other places!

I go to an excellent French school in Morges, and have also found great friendships through my French group - there's a lot of hanging around for coffee afterwards in the conveniently next door cafe, and we had a lovely Christmas meal last week.

If you like cities, pick Lausanne; it's a really nice city, big but not too big, with a lot going on. If you prefer village life, then don't let the worry of meeting people put you off - you'll be just fine as the area between Morges and Rolle is packed with 'trailing spouses' in exactly the same situation! And Lausanne is still less than 30 mins on the train or driving anyway.

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Hi there,

As kodokan pointed out, where you live shouldn't really be a determining factor with regard to how easy it is to make friends. There are lots of friendly anglophones and francophones everywhere, and I'm sure that with only a little effort you'll find lots of people to socialize with.

I also moved here as a trailing spouse (no kids), and loved the flexibility that living in the city centre afforded me. (We live in Lausanne.) I'm a country girl at heart, but think one downside of being on your own in the countryside is that it's much easier to get stuck at home. Heading to the shops for a browse or running small errands is a lot less convenient if you always have to drive or plan your life around bus or train schedules, and I loved the variety of things I could do and see within walking distance of my doorstep. Unlike kodokan, I didn't really have any obligatons around the house (such as, oh, say raising children or running my own business) so I found living in the city centre more to my liking. I found that reading and doing stuff around the house gets tiring very quickly, and I relished the ability to take off on a whim for a few hours to discover new parts of the city or just window shop. Lausanne is a fascinating city!

Now that I'm working, too, we've decided to stay in the city centre because we've become so accustomed to the convenience. We don't need a car, and never have to worry about how we're going to get home if we're ever out at a restaurant, or movie, or bar. We take the train routinely, and really appreciate being so close to a main station. We have lots of long-stay visitors, and our location allows them to have an enormous amount of freedom when they visit. We can literally give them a key and send them off for the day, and they can easily navigate the city on their own by foot or bus, or take the train anywhere they please, and there's no worry about having to collect them by car at the station at the end of the day.

That being said, the downsides are a smaller living space and the constant low-grade traffic noise we have between 7 am and 8pm, which you do get used to, but it's certainly not the same as having the quiet and fresh air of the country.

I hope this input helps you in your decision-making process. All the best for the move!

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Re: City center vs. village life

Thanks everyone. You have given me some things to think about. I'm basing my initial question on only one day of househunting last month. We haven't looked at anything in Nyon or Morges simply because there wasn't anything available to look at on that specific day. Housing is really scarce there, isn't it! Based on your responses, I'm not going to rule out anything in smaller villages just yet. I was just worried that residents of a smaller town might not be open to meeting new people, but it sounds as if that is not the case.

Kodokan, what does your husband think of Rolle? I was drawn to that town because of all of the antique stores and galleries. In my former life,, I was antique dealer who specialized in midcentury modern furniture and decor. Rolle seemed, strictly going on first impressions, that it might be a little more hip and artsy. Am I completely off base in that assessment? Be honest!
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Re: City center vs. village life

Sorry, he doesn't know Rolle that well yet, as his offices only moved there recently and are on an out-of-town business park rather than in the town centre. I find most places and people along this coast strip quite quirky, though, with none of the typically dull humourlessness that often seems to be associated with the Swiss character.

I don't really know Rolle either, but when we were househuting, I noticed that same as you, about the antique shops and galleries. The castle hosts antiques fairs, craft fairs, that sort of thing, so I'd probably say your conclusions are right. Although to me - and it's a personal impression - many of the antiques shops and galleries here are perhaps more on the stuffy, previous-generation type rather than the edgy, arty type. If somewhere to live comes up, have a look, see what you think - you sound much more equipped to decide that than me!

We've been made to feel very welcome by local people, even in the school playground, where I thought there might be a hint of disapproval of putting our non-French speaking kids into the local school and sucking up all the teaching resource! If you do end up in a village (and you don't always get exactly your first choice, housing being what it is here) I'd really recommend trying to get one with shops you can walk to - it gives a destination to get out of the house for a bit of company, and becoming a regular in the village shop really gets you known. Otherwise there's perhaps a danger that you'll only ever use your village as a dormitory, and always drive off to somewhere else to 'live'. Which depends if you mind that sort of thing - I always like to feel 'rooted' and have everyone I walk past know me.

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My advice would be to spend more time looking round these places even if there are no houses to see. One day isn't enough and getting this choice right will be key to how well you settle. There is a world of difference between living in an apartment and living in a house. Living in a village and living in a city centre, living on the lake and not living on the lake. These things you have to decide for yourself. We know housing is in short supply but if you spend more time familiarizing yourself with what these places have to offer then if you're forced to compromise because of availability then you'll be doing it with your eyes open.

Rolle and Lausanne are probably at the extremes of lifestyle choices on that stretch. Rolle is small and more isolated than Morges or Nyon and not as buzzing in winter as it is in summer. It's nice but always strikes me as a kind of a one street town that has it's back to the lake. In fact I'm always disappointed by the lack of bars and restaurants facing onto the lake. Nyon and Morges on the other hand are decent sized places in their own right, there's always things to see, both are within easy reach of a city (Geneva and Lausanne respectively) and the intercity trains stop at both towns whereas only slower, stopping services stop at places like Rolle and Gland. When I'm driving down the lakeshore road, I always stop at Nyon or Morges but keep driving through Rolle.
Fact is, because of it's size, nowhere on that stretch is truly isolated but if you live in Rolle you'll have a quieter life, you'll have to make more of an effort to hook up with people and less things will be on your door step.
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Re: City center vs. village life

Wow, Heather, you sound as if you are living the life I hope to be living by next year, adjusted, happy and looking for small adventures around every corner. The apartment we looked at in Lausanne was just off of a street called Moussequines (sp?). Is that a nice area to live, do you know? I thought it was lovely, but, again, I could be way off base.

We are going to Verbier skiing next week and combining a little bit of informal exploring in the area for a day or two, just to show two of our kids (who are not moving with us) where Mom and Dad are going to be living. Other than that we have one week set aside in January with the relo guy to do nothing but look at houses/apts. and then we have to make a decision. I'm sure many of you have been in the same boat where you had to make this important decision in a short amount of time. So, Nev, you are correct, I am operating with very little data, but I'm not really going to get much more data to go on, so your comments and those of everyone else is very, very helpful.
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Re: City center vs. village life

Oooh, that's over by the Federal court. It's pretty much the nicest neighbourhood in town as far as I know.
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Re: City center vs. village life

Hello.

My husband and I are also moving down that way in the New Year. We're going to be in Echandens, between Morges and Lausanne, which is a small village. Even in that small place, there is a boulangerie/tea room, which I imagine will be the centre of village life, a few shops, hairdressers ect and a central playground.

I'm planning to make a morning pilgrimage to the tea room for a coffee to practise my fledgling french on the baker and to be "seen" around the place a lot. From what I understand, the boulangeries in villages tend to be the centre of society and a fountain of local info on babysitters, cleaners and all manner of other info.

We've been living in Wetzikon, a town outside of Zurich for the last year and have not found living out of town too much of a disadvantage. This way, we get the best of both worlds as there's lots of beautiful countryside to explore and we're only 15 mins out of the city. The locals don't speak as much English though, which has its pros and cons. We've made friends with some of the locals and find that the people in the shops and bars recognise us as locals and always make an effort to chat to us, which never happens in the city.

Personally, I don't think it makes much difference where you live. It's all about attitude and what your personal preference is re city/country. Of course, if you're a night owl who loves late bars and clubs, it's a lot easier to get home if you live in town.

By the sounds of it though, there are lots of us going to be in the same boat around the same part of the lake next year so maybe we could all get together for coffee or a mooch around the shops at some point?

Kodokan - any chance I could ask which school you're learning French at? We're looking to start lessons as soon as possible so that we can chat to the locals in our village.
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Re: City center vs. village life

Hi, Emma

Coffee and shopping are two of my favorite things and I'd love to get together as soon as we get settled in in March. And, no, you're right, staying out late clubbing is not my thing, so that is not a factor in our decision. My idea of a great evening is having friends over for wine, food and cards, sitting on the deck or balcony looking out over the lake enjoying the view. Boring, but fun if you can find the right friends!

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Hi Riki,

The address you guys are looking at is not only in just about the nicest part of town but also the part with the most village-like feel. If you can get into that area then there's really no compromise to make. The area is really quiet, and a bit isolated, but then just on the other side of the federal court are a couple of the best cafés and tea rooms in town.

Also, do you have kids? My wife is always interested in meeting people to hang out with. Also she's in this French conversation class/club that meets at a different member's house each Friday. It can be a good way to get to know the town and its neighbourhoods.

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Wow - that French conversation class sounds fantastic! Do you know if that is just for Lausanne residents or could it also include people from surrounding villages? If it does, any chance of more details on level of french needed, membership ect ect?
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Hi Acorn

My French school is this one, in Morges:

http://www.etudes-modernes.ch/

It's on the main road for driving through Morges towards Lausanne, the one between the road right next to the lake and the pedestrian street.

It has a range of daytime and evening courses for all levels; I go twice a week on Tues and Thurs from 9.10-10.50, which fits perfectly with the mad 'coming home for lunch' school hours.

I'd really recommend them - I was briefly tested then placed in a group exactly right for my level (intermediate: A2+ working towards a B1), group sizes are good (between 4-9; mine is 7), my tutor is excellent. The twice a week course I'm taking costs 74 CHFs a week, which is invoiced termly.

Hope this helps all the people who seem to be moving to the Morges area early next year!

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Re: City center vs. village life

Hi, Mark

Thanks for the info on that part of Lausanne. I thought it looked like a great neighborhood. I'd love to meet your wife when I get there. And, yes, I do have 3 children but they are nearly grown (26, 21 and 19) and are not coming with us.

Kodokan, my husband's company pays for up to 100 hours of French tutoring/classes, (which, I'm sure, I'll need every one of and then some!), so thanks for the info on your school.

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The apartment we looked at in Lausanne was just off of a street called Moussequines (sp?). Is that a nice area to live, do you know? I thought it was lovely, but, again, I could be way off base.
To echo what Mark said, this is a great neighbourhood, and I should feel lucky to live there!

Just out of curiosity, is your husband okay with the idea of a daily commute from Lausanne? The city is for sure a more bustling and happening place than Rolle, and it might be more in line with your ideals, but there's a lot to be said for living a hop, skip, and a jump from your place of work. If you lived in Lausanne, would he plan on driving or taking the train?

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Just out of curiosity, is your husband okay with the idea of a daily commute from Lausanne? The city is for sure a more bustling and happening place than Rolle, and it might be more in line with your ideals, but there's a lot to be said for living a hop, skip, and a jump from your place of work. If you lived in Lausanne, would he plan on driving or taking the train?
If the OP's husband's working in Morges, there's probably not much in it between living in the Rolle area or living in Lausanne. We're in Préverenges (about 4km out of Morges on the Lausanne side) and it takes my husband 30-45 mins to drive to Rolle along the autoroute, depending on the traffic. I guess from Morges to either Rolle/Lausanne would take around half an hour at rush hour. They've put on an extra train stopping at Rolle each hour too, to cater for the A1 Business Park lot.

At hubby's work, there's a bunch of people who work with him in Rolle but live the other side of Lutry - now THERE'S a lengthy commute!

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Re: City center vs. village life

He's open to either driving or taking the train. Wherever we end up, he'll probably try it both ways and see which is easier. Right now he commutes from his office in Pennsylvania to our home in South Carolina by airplane, so 30 or 45 minutes will seem like a breeze! He travels a majority of the time anyway, so he will really will only be at the house or apt. in Switzerland on the weekends. It's of greater importance that we find somewhere that's easy for me to make friends and find things to do since I'll be home by myself almost all of the time. We have a saying in the American South, "If Mamma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" and that applies in this situation!

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We're in Préverenges (about 4km out of Morges on the Lausanne side) and it takes my husband 30-45 mins to drive to Rolle along the autoroute, depending on the traffic. I guess from Morges to either Rolle/Lausanne would take around half an hour at rush hour. They've put on an extra train stopping at Rolle each hour too, to cater for the A1 Business Park lot.

At hubby's work, there's a bunch of people who work with him in Rolle but live the other side of Lutry - now THERE'S a lengthy commute!

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I live in Chexbres and work in Nyon. Most mornings it takes me 35-40 minutes, though accidents and bad weather can make it much longer. The eastern end of the lake is so much more beautiful than La Côte and Vevey is a great town to have on the doorstep, so I wouldn't restrict house-hunting to the Lausanne-Nyon strip which is under so much pressure.
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